2012 Mid-Atlantic Robotics FRC Region Championship

[dodar]

Originally Posted by bduddy

The fact remains that it wasn't their own actions that caused those penalties, it was the actions of the other alliance. If [G45] wasn't intended to apply to that kind of scenario, what it is supposed to apply to?

it was their own actions, they parked in front of 341 in between them and the bridge. G28 also says there should have been a TF for consequential contact, i.e. instant 49 points for repetitive contact with the bridge.

[bduddy]

Originally Posted by dodar

it was their own actions, they parked in front of 341 in between them and the bridge. G28 also says there should have been a TF for consequential contact, i.e. instant 49 points for repetitive contact with the bridge.

But the direct cause of those penalties was the driving of the red alliance - if they had gone at the bridge from the other side, for example, there would have been no penalties. Also, [G28] assigns Technical Fouls only for purposeful, consequential contact, and this was not purposeful. Not really sure where you're getting the 49 points from, because the extra 40 points would come from [G25], which you can definitely not be forced into committing...

[dodar]

Originally Posted by bduddy

But the direct cause of those penalties was the driving of the red alliance - if they had gone at the bridge from the other side, for example, there would have been no penalties. Also, [G28] assigns Technical Fouls only for purposeful, consequential contact, and this was not purposeful. Not really sure where you're getting the 49 points from, because the extra 40 points would come from [G25], which you can definitely not be forced into committing...

If you read the italicized print from G25 you'd see that it reads: Techincal-Foul, if the act of balancing is interfered with, also a red Card with the bridge will be counted as balanced with the maximum number of robots possible for that match. They interfered with the act of balancing. This defines what happened in that match.

[Grim Tuesday]

Originally Posted by dodar

If you read the italicized print from G25 you'd see that it reads: Techincal-Foul, if the act of balancing is interfered with, also a red Card with the bridge will be counted as balanced with the maximum number of robots possible for that match. They interfered with the act of balancing. This defines what happened in that match.

Aah, but the G28 exception from G44 doesn't apply to G25.

[dodar]

Because it doesn't matter. If it happens it gets the penalty called no matter what.

[Grim Tuesday]

Originally Posted by dodar

Because it doesn't matter. If it happens it gets the penalty called no matter what.

[G44]
Generally, a rule violation by an Alliance that was directly caused by actions of the opposing Alliance will not be penalized. Rule [G28] is an exception to this rule.

We are talking about the same rule, right? G25 (the bridge rule) falls under the jurisdiction of G44.

[dodar]

Originally Posted by Grim Tuesday

We are talking about the same rule, right? G25 (the bridge rule) falls under the jurisdiction of G44.

Q. Does rule G25 apply at all times? What happens if a robot is pinned against an opponents bridge (does rule G44 apply)?

A. Yes, Rule [G25] applies throughout the Match. The Referee will determine if Rule [G44] applies given the exact circumstances.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by dodar

Q. Does rule G25 apply at all times? What happens if a robot is pinned against an opponents bridge (does rule G44 apply)? FRC3005 2012-01-11

A. Yes, Rule [G25] applies throughout the Match. The Referee will determine if Rule [G44] applies given the exact circumstances.

And what does [G44] say? Generally, a team can't be forced into a penalty. If they were pushed up the bridge, I'd definitely call that forced into a penalty.

[nahstobor]

Well since no one has said this yet, congratulations to teams 341, 25, and 1640 for winning the first MAR championship. There was only one playoff match where this alliance scored less than 100 points .

[Deetman]

Congrats to 341, 25, and 1640 for a truly impressive set of elimination matches and for winning the MAR Championship.

All the teams in the elimination rounds really stepped up their games and created some of the most exciting elimination rounds I've seen in person.

Congrats to both 75 and 433 for their well deserved MAR Chairman's Awards.

[jblay]

Congrats to 75 and 433 for winning the chairman's awards. From your videos I can tell that you both have accomplished quite a bit.

341, 25, 1640 was quite an alliance to watch. That triple balance with brakes was weird wild stuff. Your alliance would have the strength to challenge any alliance that will be on Einstein that's how deep MAR was.

Congrats to 1676 and 2016 for making it to championship. I actually watched the award ceremonies in the webcast to find out if these two teams would make it, because championship wouldn't be right without your two awesome robots, I will see you guys in St. Louis.

[Deetman]

Heard an interesting discussion come up down by the field during the finals. MAR champs vs. FiM champs at IRI. 341, 25, and 1640 vs 67, 469, 830. Don't know if it could happen but it would be quite a match.

[bjbmcd]

Scott. Thanks for the ranking spreadsheet. You asked "Are there errors on the sheet or incorrect numbers there?" I believe 3974 should have 4 championship award points. 2 for Highest Rookie Seed Award and 2 for Rookie Inspiration Award.

Team 3974 (E=mCD) would like to thank everyone from the MAR District for making our rookie season terrific. The GP shown by all the teams was incredible. One question we heard many, many times at the events was “What does the mCD stand for". It is short hand for our school name Bishop McDevitt.