Divisions 2012

[Bjenks548]

If the #1, #2 and #24 from each division pair up the OPR's added together are:
Arch Curie Gal Newton
100.4 96.9 86.7 111.2

[PayneTrain]

Newton looks like the "best division" overall, but the CMP winner will probably bubble out of Archimedes.

[George1902]

Originally Posted by Tom Ore

Divisions sorted by OPR from Ed Law's database.

Arch		Curie		Galileo	Newton	
Team	OPR	Team    OPR	Team	OPR	Team	OPR
67	42.0	987	39.7	25	34.0	469	47.2
1114	39.0	341	38.6	180	33.5	1717	44.0
359	37.1	624	35.1	16	31.6	548	37.3
2056	35.3	3098	32.3	2169	30.1	1983	35.7
1218	32.3	971	29.8	33	29.5	330	33.4
973	29.3	1507	29.8	2054	27.8	2122	30.6
2826	29.0	2474	25.9	103	26.3	842	30.5
2590	27.7	1986	25.8	148	25.5	111	28.8
1676	27.4	51	24.8	1323	25.4	1629	27.7
195	27.0	233	24.7	48	24.1	1023	27.2
1796	26.2	836	24.2	399	23.9	488	26.3
2996	25.5	254	24.2	801	23.8	1540	26.1
2415	24.8	3205	23.9	2337	23.0	1662	24.6
245	24.8	1477	23.1	1538	22.9	340	24.6
3968	24.4	1985	22.7	8	22.7	175	24.4
1311	24.1	525	22.6	573	22.6	3018	24.4
75	23.6	1678	20.4	2928	22.3	118	24.2
2046	23.4	1741	20.4	1918	22.0	2067	24.0
716	23.0	78	20.2	1732	21.4	610	23.7
126	21.6	3288	19.9	772	20.8	365	23.3
272	20.8	2960	19.7	358	20.7	4294	22.0
2614	20.4	3528	19.3	1714	20.1	2834	20.9
1868	20.0	694	19.1	2016	19.5	1635	20.0
1592	19.4	58	18.6	1208	19.2	107	20.0
1902	18.9	1511	18.4	1574	19.0	68	19.3
1756	17.9	3970	18.4	1718	18.8	79	19.3
1816	17.8	3929	17.5	3322	18.5	3930	19.2
4334	17.4	830	17.3	868	18.0	3357	18.8
2898	16.9	1828	17.2	125	18.0	181	18.8
369	16.7	1319	17.2	815	17.8	2936	18.0
1403	16.6	702	16.7	2377	17.5	11	17.9
3476	16.1	27	16.2	527	17.3	639	17.8
2949	15.5	4069	15.8	744	17.3	3245	17.3
781	15.1	2180	15.8	1671	17.2	329	17.1
3997	14.6	3940	14.6	1350	17.2	3630	16.9
4256	14.0	1690	13.5	2220	17.0	222	16.8
1261	14.0	1391	13.0	2439	16.8	2471	16.8
2557	14.0	1764	12.8	3196	16.3	1519	16.7
3947	13.9	1912	12.8	237	15.4	816	16.6
839	13.8	244	12.7	2486	15.4	115	16.5
2512	13.6	1501	12.5	263	15.2	1241	16.0
1736	13.4	2522	12.4	342	15.0	3310	15.9
1504	13.0	461	12.4	533	14.0	2062	15.3
3008	12.9	503	12.3	1108	13.9	191	15.2
587	12.8	2881	12.0	3103	13.8	3230	15.0
247	12.7	537	11.9	2090	13.7	2468	14.9
1987	12.5	2626	11.9	2642	13.6	2640	13.3
1647	11.7	3419	11.1	269	13.3	4089	13.1
2022	11.5	3965	10.8	231	13.2	4055	12.8
128	10.1	116	10.6	1747	11.4	555	11.6
100	10.0	1885	10.2	3574	11.3	714	11.1
2638	9.9	1683	10.2	4159	10.8	4086	11.1
2603	9.8	4161	10.1	4083	10.4	1640	10.6
4001	9.7	3880	10.0	1305	10.3	840	10.5
3747	9.2	604	9.9	1011	10.1	360	10.3
3481	8.7	1143	9.7	1038	9.9	271	10.1
1642	8.5	1266	9.7	4057	9.9	3990	10.1
1458	8.4	192	9.7	69	9.5	2194	9.8
4143	8.3	3951	9.5	384	9.2	1622	9.7
1306	8.3	279	9.5	4146	9.2	2705	9.4
20	8.0	85	9.5	2341	8.2	1772	9.4
3456	7.8	706	9.4	1425	8.0	435	9.1
234	7.8	207	8.9	1515	7.6	4183	8.8
1014	7.6	2164	8.8	4099	7.5	1219	8.5
3335	7.4	2591	8.7	3931	7.3	4122	8.4
2974	7.2	2914	8.1	492	6.9	3937	8.3
1	7.1	3936	7.9	766	6.4	1209	8.2
4356	7.1	288	7.9	1583	6.3	3504	8.2
3015	6.6	4265	7.4	870	5.8	86	8.1
190	6.4	2130	7.1	3784	5.7	3627	7.7
2403	6.3	2102	7.0	3189	5.3	1937	7.5
236	6.2	4226	6.8	1831	5.1	375	7.5
2815	5.6	1817	6.7	168	5.1	45	7.4
1875	5.6	3711	6.6	4031	4.9	41	6.9
692	4.9	433	6.2	1262	4.9	1506	6.9
1710	4.8	4269	6.0	4028	4.8	1111	6.5
144	4.7	3950	5.8	4394	4.5	378	6.2
2085	4.5	3847	5.2	771	4.4	4320	6.2
4403	4.4	597	5.2	3453	4.3	2200	5.8
2410	4.4	120	5.1	296	4.1	4021	5.7
4300	4.2	415	5.1	3259	3.8	3255	5.6
3410	4.1	293	4.6	4353	3.3	3566	5.5
3158	4.1	932	4.4	1212	3.1	2460	5.3
1058	3.8	571	4.4	3173	2.8	1126	5.0
1018	3.4	2844	4.3	568	2.4	1329	4.9
4218	2.9	4253	4.1	3142	2.4	4043	4.6
3081	2.8	564	4.1	4090	2.4	3083	4.4
2648	2.7	3807	3.8	4372	1.9	4188	3.9
246	2.6	3132	3.4	3981	1.7	4228	3.8
3999	2.2	1649	3.3	2339	1.6	3176	3.1
956	2.0	4130	3.0	2010	1.4	2574	2.9
2809	1.9	1778	2.9	281	1.2	457	1.7
2395	1.7	2500	2.2	585	1.1	2517	1.3
4206	1.5	4203	2.0	3530	0.1	4379	1.2
4082	0.4	3115	1.9	2158	-0.7	2059	1.2
3585	-0.5	178	0.5	151	-0.9	2902	0.8
3128	-1.4	3860	-1.0	2704	-1.0	611	-0.1
3927	-2.7	1033	-2.3	4013	-1.1	3512	-1.1
3634	-4.0	2757	-3.2	3925	-1.2	4262	-1.9
		3941	-3.3	1382	-2.8

Now with code tags...

Galileo looks fun. Can't wait.

[nahstobor]

From just the look at who's in which division, this is the most balanced CMP I have witnessed in a long time. If the superstars can't lock up the #1 seeds, expect a lot of parody.

[LeelandS]

In my opinion, Newton is the division to beat.

111 and 118 bring a lot of competition and Einstein experience. These teams have been through the trials before. They'll be very anxious to make it back, especially with Wildstang looking to defend their championship. 111 is a three time world champion (03,09,11), tying them with HOT for the second most wins. 111 has built another dangerous machine this year, with astounding accuracy. As impressive as ever, 111 looks to add their names to the short list of back-to-back world champions. 118 has had some of the most progression out of all teams this year. Their pre-season video has people clamoring, but their performance at Alamo and Connecticut, although very impressive, left much to be desired. At Lone Star, 118 was noticeably more dominant, with better hybrid and shooting than we'd seen from them before. With a win to cap off their regional reason, will 118, one of Texas' proud and most legendary teams, be able to continue to heat up the field even more? Endeavor will definitely live up to it's legendary name.

45 and 191 are two of the original teams. Both teams experienced some great success this season, and though 191 hasn't been able to grab the gold on Einstein in the past, they've seen it all in 21 years. After being the first pick at Finger Lakes and winning it all, they have an idea of what they'll have to do to be a competitive force on Newton. 45, a former world champion, will also bring the heat on Newton. They won at Queen City, they'll look to carry that success over at champs. If the X-Cats and TechnoKats can pick their shots carefully, they will both be forces to reckon with.

365 and 1640 were huge in the MAR District. MOE has built a great machine, and if they can improve on where they were at MAR Champs, they'll turn some heads. 1640 has had a lot of opportunities to learn this season: Twice have they teams with 341. Once to win a district event, once to win the whole MAR Championship. 1640 isn't the strongest robot around on their own, but they have had a lot of experience winning this season, and even without Daisy at their backs, they'll be able to carry that in to Newton.

548 and 469 competed against each other in the finals at MSC. That alone gives these teams huge credentials. 548 is being regarded as one of the best fender bots in the world right now, but their accuracy from the key can't be questioned either. Whether it's up close or from afar, 548 can put balls in baskets very well. 469 has had an amazing season so far, racking up wins at Detroit, Troy and Waterford, and capping it all off with state championship. At MSC, 469 became the only team whose Teleop Points exceeded 400, and their shooting reflects it. 469 just missed Einstein last year, after were Championship finalists in 2010. 469 knows how to win. They can do it. And with the right partners, they may just succeed.

On the topic of Michigan, 1023 had a great few days at MSC. Winners at Detroit and Livonia, 1023 has been a force to be reckoned with all season. A very strong teleop and hybrid scorer, The Bedford Express adds another strong name to the list of great Michigan teams to Newton. 1023 will make a great addition to any alliance that's lucky enough to snag them (that is, unless they're making the alliance themselves).

330 and 1717 bring a strong west-coast presence to Newton this year. After winning Central Valley, where they both looked exceptionally strong, both of these teams are strong contenders. 330 is one of the most legendary California teams of all time (perhaps only behind 254). They've earned it. World Champs in 2005 and an Einstein appearance in 2007 means 330 can succeed on the big field. 1717 has yet to make it to Einstein. Several division final finishes, but never to the big stage. After dominating at CVR, my money is on 1717 to make it to Einstein. Their swerve is of legend, and their shooting this year makes me go out on a limb and say 1717 has the best programming in FIRST right now. If 1717 can get their hands on the balls, they are going in. If they can find a partner to feed them well, 1717 may break records.

610 should be no stranger to a lot of people this season. They were surrounded by controversy earlier this year, but you can't deny that 610 has a great robot. They found some success in Canada this year, but took Arizona by storm, winning the event. 610 consistently build great robots, and almost made it to Einstein last year with 469. They may not be the most famous or dominant on Newton, but 610 can play smart, and will do just that.

1241 and 340 both competed at Buckeye. 1241 has competed prior at GTR East and West, winning a few awards and both, and qualifying for champs with a chairman's win at West. They haven't found as much success in competition as I thought they would, but 1241 has a solid robot, and if they can improve for championships, they'll be a solid force in qualifications and eliminations. 340 is a special team this year. They are triple qualified for championships, with a Chairman's Win at Finger Lakes (making it their 5th in a row, I believe), and with a win and Engineering Inspiration award at Buckeye. They're a dumper bot, but don't count them out. They're an almost guaranteed 10 points in autonomous, and a great teleop player. "Add Team 340 to #TeamStinger" and you've got a very dangerous player. Don't underestimate this fender bot.

Sorry for the long post. I was feeling rather Looking Forward-ish. And sorry if I missed anyone. These were just the teams that stuck out to me. I'm also sorry if I happened to have gotten any facts wrong. I'm definitely NOT Looking Forward, so my info may be faulty. Apologies in advance.

Newton looks REALLY tough.

[PayneTrain]

I guess one thing I can see hindering Archimedes over Newton is the sheer number of long bots that will make triple balancing difficult. I can't see three long robots pulling it off, and I think it will be necessary by the time you get to the semis.

Is that crazy?

[Bill Beatty]

I see the Championship is at 398 teams. Unless I am missing something, FIRST could raise it to 408 (102 per division) and not cause any additional qualifying matches. This would allow 10 additional teams to compete with no penalty to schedule.

Mr. Bill

[Nemo]

Originally Posted by PayneTrain

I guess one thing I can see hindering Archimedes over Newton is the sheer number of long bots that will make triple balancing difficult. I can't see three long robots pulling it off, and I think it will be necessary by the time you get to the semis.

Is that crazy?

Are you saying Archimedes has too many long bots? Keep in mind that 1114 and 2056 can triple balance while hanging off the edge, and 2826 now has similar capability. I see something like 67 + 2056 winning Archimedes. And if anybody wants to beat an alliance like that on Einstein, they better be prepared to score 70+ and then triple balance.

I don't know which robots have developed new triple balancing capabilities, but I think Archimedes looks like it has the best bet to create one or two really high scoring, triple balancing alliances. I would LOVE to watch all four of the teams I mentioned face off in the division finals. And yes, there are plenty of other good teams apart from them, as has been duly pointed out earlier.

[Jared Russell]

Originally Posted by Bill Beatty

I see the Championship is at 398 teams. Unless I am missing something, FIRST could raise it to 408 (102 per division) and not cause any additional qualifying matches. This would allow 10 additional teams to compete with no penalty to schedule.

Mr. Bill

I'm not sure I follow.

The 100 team divisions will play 150 matches (100 teams * 9 rounds / 6 teams/round) with no surrogates.

The 99 team divisions will play 149 matches (100 teams * 9 rounds / 6 teams/round) with 3 surrogates.

This suggests that adding two (2) teams, total, would result in every division playing 150 qualifying rounds to meet the stated goal of 9 rounds for each team. Adding any more would add additional qualifying matches.

[dodar]

Originally Posted by Jared341

I'm not sure I follow.

The 100 team divisions will play 150 matches (100 teams * 9 rounds / 6 teams/round) with no surrogates.

The 99 team divisions will play 149 matches (100 teams * 9 rounds / 6 teams/round) with 3 surrogates.

This suggests that adding two (2) teams, total, would result in every division playing 150 qualifying rounds to meet the stated goal of 9 rounds for each team. Adding any more would add additional qualifying matches.

Actually adding 2 teams to each division to make each have 102(2 divisions right now have 99 and 2 have 100) would give a total of 153 matches per division. Giving each match a 6 minute cycle(load-in, match, load-out) would take just over 15 hours, which would be cutting it real close on keeping it within the 3 day timeframe.

[Tom Ore]

Originally Posted by PayneTrain

I guess one thing I can see hindering Archimedes over Newton is the sheer number of long bots that will make triple balancing difficult. I can't see three long robots pulling it off, and I think it will be necessary by the time you get to the semis.

Is that crazy?

Number of teams that have done a triple balance:

Archimedes 13
Curie 12
Galileo 21
Newton 15

[stundt1]

Archimedes is my predicted to win.

they have 67 1114 2056 359 1218 973 and even more......

It seems like the toughest division to win. The 1114 and 2056 powerhouse couple seems like it could get broken up again this year.

[AdamHeard]

Originally Posted by Tom Ore

Number of teams that have done a triple balance:

Archimedes 13
Curie 12
Galileo 21
Newton 15

Mind listing these?

[nighterfighter]

Georgia representing over in Archimedes!

1311, 2415, and 1261!

[akoscielski3]

Galileo looks like its gonna be fun

Attached are the rankings I have for Galileo. This is in order from highest OPR to Lowest OPR. My source of numbers come from 2834's scouting data base.

EDIT:

As for Archimedes I'm predicting a Canadian Domination this year Im guessing 1114 gets 1st seed, and picks 2056 and 1 other Canadian team (possible 781, 4001 (2056's first pick in GTR West), 2809, 4334)