Inbounders!

[IndySam]

When I am reffing I try and make it a point to try and know how many balls have been scored and how many have been returned to the field.

It's not hard to know when it's time to start watching the inbounders more closely.

[Clayton Yocom]

Originally Posted by IndySam

It's not hard to know when it's time to start watching the inbounders more closely.

If this is true than its a non-issue, which, apparently, FIRST agrees. I can see inbounders being extremely important on Einstien if the strategies are anything similar to the psuedo-hoarding strat.

[IndySam]

Also I have never had to call a foul (in three regionals) against teams employing this strategy. Teams that understand the rules enough to do this also understand that they need to get rid of the balls.

The only time I have called a foul for more than six were on teams that either didn't understand the rules or simply weren't paying attention.

[Siri]

Originally Posted by IndySam

Also I have never had to call a foul (in three regionals) against teams employing this strategy. Teams that understand the rules enough to do this also understand that they need to get rid of the balls.

The only time I have called a foul for more than six were on teams that either didn't understand the rules or simply weren't paying attention.

Wow, you're lucky. I have reffed two events and coached 3. In two reffed events, I have called something like 3-4 instances of G31 (~10 balls total). I suspect most refs keep track the same way IndySam and I do.

In the 3 coached events, I have clearly seen* well over 10 separate instances--probably close to 25 balls--not called (and others that were called). On webcasts especially, I have seen teams loose matches due to non-calls multiple times. It's a constant issue I've heard numerous other drive team members, spectators and volunteers comment on.


Some of these cases were simply teams not understanding the rules that didn't affect much, but others very clearly provided a strategic advantage (whether or not they understood the rules). This makes FIRST's rationale very difficult for me to swallow.


*I cannot see opposing inbounders well enough when I'm coaching to spot G31s (with all the baskets, diamond plate, drivers, robots, etc in the way). Please don't take this as a slight against teams we've "blocked the slot" on. My mental count certainly never got over 6.

[Gregor]

Team 1219 and I had a little bit of fun in Q-25 at GTR west. They would park infront of the barrier between the coopertition bridge and our bridge. They seemed to know that I could bounce it over both bridges and the barrier, and would drive infront of whatever I seemed to be aiming for, so I must say a lot of fake throws(on my part) and fake moves (on their part) were happening. To make it better, their drivers were directly across from the inbound slot. I remember after their first block, I looked up at them, their coach smiled at me, and I smiled right back. Kudos to them for making my job that much more annoying.

I must say that was my most enjoyable match to inbound

[mhat_ios]

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Originally Posted by Alan Anderson View Post
Unless you're talking about throwing over the alliance station wall during the last 30 seconds, which it doesn't sound like you meant.

Originally Posted by Clayton Yocom

That is what he meant.

He means getting it over the bump in the middle. I also understand what he means about a full upper body movement. I do something similar, and I do very well, as the balls actually go faster, and bounce higher.

Funny point about hoarding- in Arizona semi - finals, the human players did not take any balls out of the corrall, and got 45 PENALTY POINTS!!!!

[mhat_ios]

Originally Posted by Gregor01

Team 1219 and I had a little bit of fun in Q-25 at GTR west. They would park infront of the barrier between the coopertition bridge and our bridge. They seemed to know that I could bounce it over both bridges and the barrier, and would drive infront of whatever I seemed to be aiming for, so I must say a lot of fake throws(on my part) and fake moves (on their part) were happening. To make it better, their drivers were directly across from the inbound slot. I remember after their first block, I looked up at them, their coach smiled at me, and I smiled right back. Kudos to them for making my job that much more annoying.

I must say that was my most enjoyable match to inbound

That is pretty classic. I have had something like that, but they usually give up after 10 seconds, when i dont throw a ball.

[zekeF]

Originally Posted by mhat_ios

That is pretty classic. I have had something like that, but they usually give up after 10 seconds, when i dont throw a ball.

ive had a robot park dirrectly infront of the inbound slot for the entire match but i got lucky and they left a big enough oppening for the ball to be thrown through

[Gregor]

Originally Posted by zekeF

ive had a robot park dirrectly infront of the inbound slot for the entire match but i got lucky and they left a big enough oppening for the ball to be thrown through

Man that's annoying. Luckily when that happened only 3 balls were scored on us, so...30 seconds

[Clayton Yocom]

Originally Posted by mhat_ios

45 PENALTY POINTS!!!!

What an interesting number...

[Alan Anderson]

Originally Posted by mhat_ios

He means getting it over the bump in the middle.

No, that's the barrier. Amadinerjohn was talking about the fender (unless he just used the wrong word, which is certainly possible, and which would make my question totally irrelevant).

[mhat_ios]

Originally Posted by Alan Anderson

No, that's the barrier. Amadinerjohn was talking about the fender (unless he just used the wrong word, which is certainly possible, and which would make my question totally irrelevant).

It's no big deal, but just think logically about throwing the ball over the fender. It is impossible, as there is no way to get over the one on the far side, and you are right beside the one that the other alliance is scoring on. It seems pretty obvious that he just mixed up the words. The way he wrote it made it seem like he meant the barrier.

[JohnSchneider]

I did mean barrier. That was a huge typo on my behalf and I'm embarrassed about it.

[Bjenks548]

Originally Posted by mhat_ios

It's no big deal, but just think logically about throwing the ball over the fender. It is impossible, as there is no way to get over the one on the far side, and you are right beside the one that the other alliance is scoring on. It seems pretty obvious that he just mixed up the words. The way he wrote it made it seem like he meant the barrier.

Check GTR West finals 1, I'm pretty sure a human player scores a ball into the low basket (off 2056) passing through the slot. We also are fortunate enough to have a full practice field and I have hit the rim a few times through the feeder slot.