Archimedes 2012!

[Teamcodeorange]

Picture of Code Orange 3476's robot! http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/...e/77a46738.jpg

[Schnabel]

Is anyone able to get this webcast working? At the moment they have the Einstein webcast for both Archimedes and Einstein.

[mathking]

I think they just have both links directed at Einstein. They both show up with the same address. Very frustrating. The first time in 10 years not going to a competition. Hopefully they will get it corrected soon.

[Schnabel]

It's fixed now! http://mfile.akamai.com/18569/live/r...asx?bkup=40837

[Schnabel]

Ok I'm confused, what happened to the rule where there can't be a tie during qualifications? I thought the tie breaker worked like elims with an electronic coin flip deciding the fate all else being equal. Am I missing something here?

[EricH]

Originally Posted by Schnabel

Ok I'm confused, what happened to the rule where there can't be a tie during qualifications? I thought the tie breaker worked like elims with an electronic coin flip deciding the fate all else being equal. Am I missing something here?

Rule that there can't be a tie during qualifications? What rulebook are you reading?

During eliminations and ranking are the only places there can't be a tie. Ties in qualifications are 1 ranking point plus whatever coop points you get. Ties in eliminations are settled by a defined set of tiebreakers--no coin flip, though.
Ties in ranking are settled by a different defined set of tiebreakers--that's where the coin flip comes in.

[Schnabel]

Originally Posted by EricH

Ties in ranking are settled by a different defined set of tiebreakers--that's where the coin flip comes in.

Ok that's probably what I was thinking. For some reason I thought there was something against having a tie in qualifications too. Thanks.

[KrazyCarl92]

Has anyone noticed the improper assignment of coop points?

[G41]
If a Robot from each Alliance is Balanced on the Coopertition Bridge when the final score for a Qualification Match is assessed per Rule [G37], each Alliance earns 2 Coopertition Points. If the Coopertition Bridge is not Balanced, but a Robot from each Alliance is fully supported by the Coopertition Bridge, each Alliance will earn 1 Coopertition Point.

emphasis mine

In matches 6, 12, and 17 so far on Archimedes, 1 CP has been awarded for instances where robots are touching the unbalanced Coop Bridge, but not fully supported by it. What is the ruling on this? It seems black and white to me that these should be 0 CP...

[wdell]

Um, was looking at the bot pictures... the picture you have for 3999 is wrong. That pic is of 399. 3999 is green... really, really green.

[mathking]

So any big surprises in Archimedes so far? I am stuck not attending for the first time in 10 years, and only watching the webcast.

[FlyingHedgeHog]

Originally Posted by mathking

So any big surprises in Archimedes so far? I am stuck not attending for the first time in 10 years, and only watching the webcast.

1st time at championships and 2898 Is at the top of the pack (For now...)

[Austin2046]

Originally Posted by FlyingHedgeHog

1st time at championships and 2898 Is at the top of the pack (For now...)

Great work you guys! keep it up. We unfortunately had a less than stellar day... we missed our first match entirely as someone misplaced our front bumper... we found it and ran out to the field but the crew wouldn't let us on and our alliance lost the match. After that it wasn't much better. We had an air leak in our second match so we lost pressure and couldn't use our multi-tool... we lost by 1 point. Then we just made some bad decisions and wasted time in our 3rd match... we lost by 2 points. Things luckily started to click by our fourth match today, and we squeaked out a win by 2 points, with a co-op balance. It's amazing to me to see how many close matches there've been on our field! Personally, I'd rather get creamed than lose by just a point or 2 anyway, best of luck to everyone tomorrow! we'll try our hardest to show what we've got.

[Sean Raia]

Never mind, wasn't aware 2056 was seeded 2nd

[KrazyCarl92]

I'm not sure if people understand the gravity of the current situation. In matches 6, 12, and 17 all teams were awarded 1 CP when they should've been awarded 0. The bridge was unbalanced and one robot was touching the carpet in each case. Currently 3481 is ahead of the rest of the field by 1 qualifying point, which should not be the case because they were awarded 1 extra CP in match 17. If it isn't taken care of, this will have massive implications on the rankings and selections.

This is akin to the score to a match being 100-0 and then the match being recorded as a tie.

For those interested, a precedent would be GSR in 2009 when they actually changed the rankings AFTER alliance selections and then completely redid alliance selections after reranking the teams. This is the latest rankings have been changed in a tournament, I believe.

[NickTosta]

Originally Posted by KrazyCarl92

I'm not sure if people understand the gravity of the current situation. In matches 6, 12, and 17 all teams were awarded 1 CP when they should've been awarded 0. The bridge was unbalanced and one robot was touching the carpet in each case. Currently 3481 is ahead of the rest of the field by 1 qualifying point, which should not be the case because they were awarded 1 extra CP in match 17. If it isn't taken care of, this will have massive implications on the rankings and selections.

This is akin to the score to a match being 100-0 and then the match being recorded as a tie.

For those interested, a precedent would be GSR in 2009 when they actually changed the rankings AFTER alliance selections and then completely redid alliance selections after reranking the teams. This is the latest rankings have been changed in a tournament, I believe.

Hmmmm. While it does sound like something should be done about that, there are two issues I see:

1. We need to bring this to someone's attention, someone with the power to correct it
2. We need to prove that it happened

I think the problem is that nobody knows who to talk to, and nobody knows if any concrete evidence (pictures, videos, etc.) exist at the moment. I'm not sure how anyone would go about either of those. Any thoughts?