Einstein 2012

[George Nishimura]

Didn't 118 have a similar problem at CT?

[plnyyanks]

Originally Posted by NickTosta

Also, my programmer just pointed out that the terrible weather makes an excellent metaphor for the issues on einstein.

I can't see electrical storms being all that good for wifi networks.... Have there been any incidents in the past where the field was downed by weather?

Originally Posted by miriad

As a volunteer that works with FMS regularly- it logs everything. Absolutely everything. Any scoring, robot/ds communications (packet logging, I think), and any problems

Do you if there's any way we could get at the Einstein FMS logs? y'know... for science?


And everybody, let's try to keep a cool head. I know it's rough emotionally, and it's easy to get carried away. But that's won't solve anything. We're engineers. We fix problems, not complain about them.

[Vince lau]

Who won EI?

[Sean Raia]

Originally Posted by Vince lau

Who won EI?

Probably the hardest question to answer right now

[Kevin Sevcik]

I second Vince. If anyone at the event is reading this thread, could they update us with the EI winner?

Also, the only thing more appropriate than the webcast dying after Galileo wins it all in F2 would be if it died after Curie sends it to a rubber match in F2.

[nahstobor]

From a Member of the GDC in regards to a question regarding the control system/FMS problems.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etAya...utu.be&t=7m13s

(Please watch the whole video, The link is only to recognize an interesting quote)

[George Nishimura]

Originally Posted by Vince lau

Who won EI?

I believe 1629 won it again. It was announced after Chairman's, wasn't it?

[Racer26]

Originally Posted by Gnishi2011

I believe 1629 won it again. It was announced after Chairman's, wasn't it?

yes.

[George Nishimura]

It's ironic that the pre-match speeches was about how this is as good as any sporting event, one of the best competitions in the world, and the finals are jeopardized by communications issues. Especially when it's promoting technology.

[Racer26]

Originally Posted by Gnishi2011

It's ironic that the pre-match speeches was about how this is as good as any sporting event, one of the best competitions in the world, and the finals are jeopardized by communications issues. Especially when it's promoting technology.

Its all kinds of embarrassing for FIRST.

They're going to have to answer to it. I don't see how they can not.

[JohnSchneider]

1717 had the same problems on newton(as did we) and we compared notes. There is no way it wasn't the field. All other indicators were fine, go into auto, come out, no coms.

Utterly embarrassing.

[martin417]

Since the advent of the CrIO in 2009, we have found that if we turned the robot on in the queue (as directed by the FTA and volunteers), prior to the FMS displaying our team number, we had issues 100% of the time. If we waited until we were on the field with our team number displaying on the FMS, before we turned the bot on, we had no issues. This has caused friction between our drive team and the volunteers and the FTA at every regional, but especially this year at North Carolina. Every year, we confirm the behavior in front of the FTA in a practice match that if we turned on in queue, without our team number displayed on the FMS, we have many problems, camera issues, encoder and / or gyro issues, loss of comms, or extremely long delay in connecting to the field.

In 2009, at the recommendation of the FTA, our programmer (who is now a programmer for Sony) used a default robot project (in C++) and tried it on the field with the same result, so it is not our code.

For the record, we always program in C++, and use gyros encoders, cameras, and other sensors every year.

[jspatz1]

Originally Posted by martin417

Since the advent of the CrIO in 2009, we have found that if we turned the robot on in the queue (as directed by the FTA and volunteers), prior to the FMS displaying our team number, we had issues 100% of the time. If we waited until we were on the field with our team number displaying on the FMS, before we turned the bot on, we had no issues. This has caused friction between our drive team and the volunteers and the FTA at every regional, but especially this year at North Carolina. Every year, we confirm the behavior in front of the FTA in a practice match that if we turned on in queue, without our team number displayed on the FMS, we have many problems, camera issues, encoder and / or gyro issues, loss of comms, or extremely long delay in connecting to the field.

We have had this same experience, and on the advise of an FTA started rebooting our robot on the field after others were on. This seemed to help at our second regional event this year, but not at Champs. We had persistent control issues in virtually every match on Curie. Kudos to our incredible driver for scratching and clawing his way to a #4 seed result with only partial control of his machine. We are among many other teams who will wonder what they might have achieved with full control of their robot.

[rocknthehawk]

Originally Posted by animenerdjohn

1717 had the same problems on newton(as did we) and we compared notes. There is no way it wasn't the field. All other indicators were fine, go into auto, come out, no coms.

Utterly embarrassing.

You were not alone. Many times have mentioned this same issue, on other fields. We played through two regionals without an issue. Coming to cmp, we dropped coms 3 or 4 matches. 1 was a failure of our own. We log all our data through the match (mostly to check shot speed)...the FTA couldn't find any issue in our system.


We were told every match to turn our robot on early. I loved the IFI system.


A side note, why is Chairman's not announced last anymore? It seems anticlimactic, especially being the biggest award to win.

[Robby Unruh]

Originally Posted by rocknthehawk

You were not alone. Many times have mentioned this same issue, on other fields. We played through two regionals without an issue. Coming to cmp, we dropped coms 3 or 4 matches. 1 was a failure of our own. We log all our data through the match (mostly to check shot speed)...the FTA couldn't find any issue in our system.


We were told every match to turn our robot on early. I loved the IFI system.


A side note, why is Chairman's not announced last anymore? It seems anticlimactic, especially being the biggest award to win.

1114 got sideshow seats on the stage to watch the finals. I imagine this just being a special reward-- aside from winning the CCA, of course.