Go to Post Don't underestimate the ability of a highly skilled technician with simple tools (and don't overestimate the ability of an unskilled fool with exotic tools!). - dlavery [more]
Home
Go Back   Chief Delphi > FIRST > General Forum
CD-Media   CD-Spy  
portal register members calendar search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read FAQ rules

 
View Poll Results: If you built and used a practice bot, how many competitions did you win?
0 11 35.48%
1 12 38.71%
2 5 16.13%
3 1 3.23%
4+ 2 6.45%
Voters: 31. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 02-05-2012, 18:18
joelg236 joelg236 is offline
4334 Retired Mentor & Alumni
AKA: Joel Gallant
no team
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Rookie Year: 2012
Location: Calgary
Posts: 733
joelg236 has a reputation beyond reputejoelg236 has a reputation beyond reputejoelg236 has a reputation beyond reputejoelg236 has a reputation beyond reputejoelg236 has a reputation beyond reputejoelg236 has a reputation beyond reputejoelg236 has a reputation beyond reputejoelg236 has a reputation beyond reputejoelg236 has a reputation beyond reputejoelg236 has a reputation beyond reputejoelg236 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Success of practice bots

Our team used a practice bot before regionals and worlds. Without it, I doubt we would have won at all. Balancing required a lot more practice than you might think.
__________________
All opinions are my own.
Reply With Quote
  #2   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 02-05-2012, 18:30
BrendanB BrendanB is offline
Registered User
AKA: Brendan Browne
FRC #1058 (PVC Pirates)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Rookie Year: 2003
Location: Londonderry, NH
Posts: 3,103
BrendanB has a reputation beyond reputeBrendanB has a reputation beyond reputeBrendanB has a reputation beyond reputeBrendanB has a reputation beyond reputeBrendanB has a reputation beyond reputeBrendanB has a reputation beyond reputeBrendanB has a reputation beyond reputeBrendanB has a reputation beyond reputeBrendanB has a reputation beyond reputeBrendanB has a reputation beyond reputeBrendanB has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Success of practice bots

I think a better question is how much did it help/did you build a practice bot and NOT win a regional.

My old team started building a practice robot in 2009. That year it allowed us a very iterative design process all season. Between our regional and the championship we made some modifications to our shooter, added traction control, and a few other modifications. We were quarter finalists at our regional and won the chairmans award. While we didn't win we learned a lot and were able to fine tune our robot over the month of time we had. In 2010 we went into a larger iterative process that started as full prototype robots and ending with one that we could theoretically ship and compete with, then making a clone we would ship if finished on time. This worked great, over our two regionals and championship we made many changes to our kicker and ball collection in between events and a lot of driver training was accomplished. That season we won our first event (GSR), were finalists at our second regional (NCR), and were quarter finalists on our division (Archimedes).

If a team intends to build a practice robot, you need to be extremely focused an organized. Some times you can start making a duplicate set of parts, and other times things need to be changed so communication is extremely important. There are rewards to gain from a practice robot, but it doesn't mean you will win your event. There are many robots each season that win regionals and even the championship and they don't build a practice robot!
__________________
1519 Mechanical M.A.Y.H.E.M. 2008 - 2010
3467 Windham Windup 2011 - 2015
1058 PVC Pirates 2016 - xxxx
Reply With Quote
  #3   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 02-05-2012, 18:35
sodizzle's Avatar
sodizzle sodizzle is offline
Registered User
AKA: Brandon Sidoti
FRC #1023 (Bedford Express)
Team Role: Alumni
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Rookie Year: 2009
Location: Temperance, MI
Posts: 70
sodizzle is a jewel in the roughsodizzle is a jewel in the roughsodizzle is a jewel in the roughsodizzle is a jewel in the rough
Re: Success of practice bots

My team, 1023, did not make a practice bot but we practiced a ton with our main bot during build season. We won both of our district events. Like they always say, practice makes perfect.
Reply With Quote
  #4   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 02-05-2012, 19:30
Gray Adams's Avatar
Gray Adams Gray Adams is offline
Registered User
no team
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Rookie Year: 2000
Location: none
Posts: 282
Gray Adams is a splendid one to beholdGray Adams is a splendid one to beholdGray Adams is a splendid one to beholdGray Adams is a splendid one to beholdGray Adams is a splendid one to beholdGray Adams is a splendid one to beholdGray Adams is a splendid one to behold
Re: Success of practice bots

We built a practice bot this year, and we won a regional for the first time in a decade. But personally, I don't think there's a strong correlation. Because of the structure of our shop hours, we don't iterate our designs post-build very well at all. We make almost no changes, except in software. And we did a LOT of software development leading up to each event, but due to bugs we never implemented it successfully on the competition bot.

So for us, it was basically a software development vehicle. We had a difficult time getting time and space to actually practice, so we did very little of that. There were plenty of times at competition where I looked a match we just played and though that if I had practiced a lot more, I wouldn't have made so many mistakes and could have driven more fluidly. There's probably more we could do to actually practice with the practice bot after build, but the energy level is low, the shop hours are basically non-existant, and with no available practice space, practice doesn't really happen.

Now, if we had a field that was always accessible, I think we would make much more use of it. But of course, it's always easy to talk about how much we could do if only we had x.
Reply With Quote
  #5   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 02-05-2012, 19:40
Joon Park's Avatar
Joon Park Joon Park is offline
Joony13
FRC #0639 (Code Red Robotics)
Team Role: CAD
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Rookie Year: 2010
Location: Ithaca, NY
Posts: 99
Joon Park has much to be proud ofJoon Park has much to be proud ofJoon Park has much to be proud ofJoon Park has much to be proud ofJoon Park has much to be proud ofJoon Park has much to be proud ofJoon Park has much to be proud ofJoon Park has much to be proud of
Re: Success of practice bots

I think the concept that comes with practice bots is more important than the bot itself; the concept of which I speak is of course, practice.

The driver gains experience through playing in matches, and as closely as you can simulate that situation, the better. Ideally, 6 teams would get together during week 6 and play the game for hours, giving the drivers practice. That's completely different from having a practice bot and doing obstacle courses with it.

So in summary, I guess what I'm trying to say is, it's all about how you use that practice bot. Or rather, how your driver uses that practice bot.
__________________
Team 639: Code Red Robotics
2013 Robot: The Red Raptor
2013 Archimedes Division
2013 Buckeye Regional Winner
2013 Buckeye Spirit Award
2013 FLR Spirit Award
2012 Newton Division Finalist
2012 FLR Semi-Finalist, Engineering Inspiration Award
2012 DC Quarter-Finalist, Industrial Design Award
2011 FLR Quarter-Finalist
2011 Boston Quarter-Finalist, Imagery Award
2010 FLR Quarter-Finalist, Innovation in Control Award
2010 Philladelphia Semi-Finalist, Gracious Professionalism Award
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 15:35.

The Chief Delphi Forums are sponsored by Innovation First International, Inc.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Chief Delphi