MARC 2012

[Shu]

If you do 1 point for a single co-op, then what would prevent teams from going early and balancing the bridge themselves and not allowing the other alliance the chance to get the point.

[Ed Law]

Originally Posted by Shu

If you do 1 point for a single co-op, then what would prevent teams from going early and balancing the bridge themselves and not allowing the other alliance the chance to get the point.

The incentive is if one team is already on the coop bridge and they see the other alliance's robot coming to the coop bridge, they will get one more qualifying point if they would lower it themselves and "invite" the other robot to come up to the coop bridge. If they want to be selfish and take the one point and deny the other alliance any points, the other alliance can force the bridge down and go up. I don't think this will happen in Michigan and because the incentive is big enough.

[Adam Freeman]

Originally Posted by Shu

If you do 1 point for a single co-op, then what would prevent teams from going early and balancing the bridge themselves and not allowing the other alliance the chance to get the point.

This. I think any time you offer up an opportunity for a team to mess with another one, then it's a bad idea.

Say (under this proposed idea) I am on the coop bridge waiting for my opponent. He continues scoring...so I balance the bridge for 1pt. Then he comes to the bridge to coop, expecting to get an extra point. I stay balanced and upset them for not unbalancing...since I don't think we can get re-balanced with 2 robots in time. Or heaven forbid, they unbalance the bridge themselves and we fail to get re-balanced. Who is at fault and how many people have their feelings hurt?

The same goes for allowing triple balancing or awarding a different amount of points for triples, doubles, or singles on the coop bridge. There is always a way that a devious, but strategic coach can find to take advantage of these proposed ideas.

All these rule changes make it easier to decieve some one, not harder. I would hate for MARC to turn into this type of event because the rules were changed (in hopes of improving the play) without fully understanding the impact of these changes.

I think the GDC knew that if the coop bridge was any less valuable teams could find ways to decide not to do it. At 2Qps, its as good as a win and keeps you up in the rankings even if you lose a match.

The coop bridge in Michigan has been a postive experience all season long. My opinion is either leave it alone, and we all coop together or get rid of it and lets turn up the scoring and see who is really the best in qualification using W-L-T.

[Steve Ketron]

If it was up to me, then I would get rid of the entire thing and have a scorefest. However ever since day one of the M.A.R.C., I gave the authority to change rules to the Head Ref and his team. They are the ones that have to remember their changes. So why not give them the power.

I have to say that every year that Gary has been the Head Ref, he has carefully looked at the game and made only the slighest of changes to the rules. These changes have been in the teams and refs best interest and without a doubt made M.A.R.C. both very fun and exciting. Stay tuned and Gary will give his teams changes (if any) for this years event.

[Craig Roys]

Originally Posted by Steve Ketron

I have to say that every year that Gary has been the Head Ref, he has carefully looked at the game and made only the slighest of changes to the rules. These changes have been in the teams and refs best interest and without a doubt made M.A.R.C. both very fun and exciting. Stay tuned and Gary will give his teams changes (if any) for this years event.

I agree that Gary has done an excellent job. It seems every year, people start suggesting changes just for change sake rather than in an attempt to improve some faulty part of the game. While some of the changes seem like they could be very interesting, they also would change the game too much. Gary has always reeled everyone back and only made necessary (usually minor) changes to help improve the game.

I think the coop does deserve some discussion; however, if it was up to me, I would keep it as is.

[Master1528]

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[themathgod]

Steve
Please put 279 on your list of attending.

[Steve Ketron]

Originally Posted by themathgod

Steve
Please put 279 on your list of attending.

Your on the list.

[Debbie]

Originally Posted by themathgod

Steve
Please put 279 on your list of attending.

I thought the same thing when I looked at the list, but if you go to the bottom for the "Plank holders" you will find yourself!

[Steve Ketron]

There is only one week left for teams to apply. If your team is thinking of coming to participate in M.A.R.C., then please get in your application. I will not accept any late applications.

[Adam Freeman]

HOT has submitted a registration form.

If we get in we will be bringing a 100% brand new drive team. This (I believe) is the first time someone has not had experience on the drive team heading into an event since 2007. So, it's going to be interesting.

Can't wait to play again!

[Ed Law]

We will be having a brand new drive team and new drive coach also since the crew this year were all seniors. It will be interesting. I hope they won't do too much damage to our robot and others' robots. Attention teams, please do not get too close to our robot in the matches. Caution, new drivers.

[GBK]

Adam, gotta love a rookie drive team. We have always used rookies at the MARC in fact the drive team we used this season got their start at the MARC last year. They then went on to the WMRI putting them starting this last season with just two off seasons under their belts. We expect to bring this last seasons drivers to MARK but will be using rookies much of the time so we have a clue where we are when this years team graduates after next season. So it will be interesting from our end as well.
As always we are looking forward to great fun at the MARC this year.

[JosephC]

Seeing as our Drive Team this year consisted of 2 sophomores and a Senior we'll be bringing a 1/3 new drive team. Beware of our Manipulator shooting balls at the most unseenly times.

[Debbie]

Originally Posted by Adam Freeman

HOT has submitted a registration form.

If we get in we will be bringing a 100% brand new drive team. This (I believe) is the first time someone has not had experience on the drive team heading into an event since 2007. So, it's going to be interesting.

Can't wait to play again!

BX will also be running a full rookie drive team. We are hoping to practice with them a little first.

If anyone is interested in coming down to Bedford Township (Temperance, MI) (on the border of Toledo, Ohio) and practicing on our field and bridge, let me know.