Overcoming challenges of having an FRC team in schools and overworked teachers

[techhelpbb]

As far as mentors are concerned I've found that if you can find the right teachers from other districts they are often very happy to help out.

Sometimes teachers from the same school don't like the idea of remaining at their day job for what could be a 14 hour day. So sometimes you need to shop the idea around a little.

Also as far as community support is concerned with careful time management you can often soften the blow for outside companies. I know several companies that had to withdraw support from FIRST not because they don't like the program but because it dragged down on them in particular too much.

Shop around the community and ask for little commitments of resources and most importantly do that year round.

You'll find people's garages, malls with indoor areas, people with small home shops and businesses just about anywhere that can support a team and if you don't push them too hard you'll grow. Also don't forget to ask other nearby teams. Often veteran teams are extremely helpful. I know Team 11 has cooperated often with nearby teams.

I also strongly recommend making sure you take care of your business issues like setting up legit charitable organizations. The less support you have from existing infrastructure the more important it is that donors and the community at large know you're legit.

There are several robotics 'schools' popping up in Northern New Jersey right now. Privately held organizations with students of the high school and younger ages. I almost ended up in a weekly situation teaching at one. It occurs to me that such ventures run quite parallel to the direction of U.S. FIRST and joining yourselves together might have good symbiosis.

Another angle is to try to starting out slower than FRC and work with FLL. As an FLL judge for the last few years I find that these groups tend to be smaller and more self-contained. Getting the students and parents involved at that level might directly fertilize support within both the schools and the community. Don't discount even home schooled folks, we've had a few pop up with FLL teams at competition and that's a great opportunity for them to interact socially and with the community.

Just remember this is a community experience. The schools are wrong to be protective over these sorts of things. They serve a function to that same community and they should be thrilled that the often over-expensive vocational programs they are often shutting down are being picked up in part by community resources. As a vocational student myself I can say that schools used to ask the community what they needed from students and sometimes they delievered. Through FIRST those same businesses are far more actively engaged then just talking about what they need.

[JustinRueb1891]

Great advice, we'll probably be needing it soon, as we've been moved from our usual build room to the upstairs storage "boneyard" at our school. No electricity, no security, and even worse, no AC

Moving to a community based program seems to work best for the teams that I've talked to. While some amazing schools districts are very supportive, many grants are not available to teams entirely based in a school or a district, and like mentioned in one of the posts above, school budget cuts can really hurt a program. I know that 1891 is working on a nonprofit to manage our funds, and that seems to be the most successful method.

[moonlight]

First of all, i'm sorry that your team has to go through all this. My team has been there before and we sure understand how stressful the situation can be.

We were asked to leave our shop at school last year because they wanted to have wood shop to make frames for photography class the school promised to find us a place, but moths passed and kick off was just around the corner. At the time we didn't know who would be our school advisor, because the only one we had the year before said she couldn't commit to so many hours anymore.

So we decided to become a 4H team Now we are part of a community program and we are still tied to our school, but because we are a 4H team we can now have students from other High schools. Currently we have students from 9 different schools and home schools. We can also meet at a different location than at school without a teacher or district member having to be present, which has been amazing! because sometimes...specially during the last days of build season, we need to keep working on the robot for a couple of extra hours and now we don't have to make a teacher stay with us 'til we are done.

Our team found a working place just a week before kick off this year. The Masons let us use the basement of the Delta masoninic Hall and it works just great for us. It's about a 15 minute drive from our school, but we carpool with our mentors from school to our shop and then back home whenever we meet.

Our coach and our mentors are professional people that work as engineers, accountants, electricians at places like Boeing, Visa, Esterline, Amazon. They believe in our team and in FIRST and are as passionate about it as we are. We are really trying to make our school get more involve with the team. Currently we only have 1 person at school as our advisor (she lets us know about club days and school activities we can participate in) and we also have a study lab teacher that let us stay in her room after school working on homework when we need it.

Our principal came with us to st. louis this year and was amazed at what he saw over there. This Friday we will be part of an assembly for the 1st time this year.

I would suggest finding your local 4H progarm and getting involve with it. It will help you guys grow more as a team. Don't give up on your school. Find different ways to get the principal's attention. I strongly believe that the challenges we've gone through have made us stronger not just as a team, but as a family.

Remember NETWORKING is the key. Make as many connections as you can. The summer is coming up and that's a great opportunity to volunteer and do fundrasing activities. Let your community know that you are there. I CHALLENGE you to make people want to help your team succeed. If you need any help with ideas just asked we'll be here to help with anything we can.

[Carol]

If you do branch out on your own, don't forget to make sure you still have insurance coverage. If the school doesn't cover you you will have to find your own. There are organizations that will cover you (4-H comes to mind).

We pay for our own insurance to cover the teams and our off-season events. Coverage isn't just for accidents but also (and in some ways more importantly) for mentor liability. No one thinks it will happen, but just picture the consequences if your mentors are sued by a parent for a student's injury (or worse).

Do a search on the lawsuit over a cheerleader's death in Hawaii in 2008 or so if you want a reality check.

[moonlight]

Originally Posted by Carol

If you do branch out on your own, don't forget to make sure you still have insurance coverage. If the school doesn't cover you you will have to find your own. There are organizations that will cover you (4-H comes to mind).

We pay for our own insurance to cover the teams and our off-season events. Coverage isn't just for accidents but also (and in some ways more importantly) for mentor liability. No one thinks it will happen, but just picture the consequences if your mentors are sued by a parent for a student's injury (or worse).

Do a search on the lawsuit over a cheerleader's death in Hawaii in 2008 or so if you want a reality check.

She's abolutely right! and yes 4H will cover insurance

[Akash Rastogi]

Originally Posted by moonlight

First of all, i'm sorry that your team has to go through all this.

As stated, this has nothing to do with Conor's teams.