Coopertition in the Olympics

[IKE]

Earlier this week I saw a stunning example that I would say closely matches FIRST's definition of Coopertition. Any guesses which event I was watching?

[OZ_341]

Any form of Long distance bike racing.
I was actually thinking about FIRST as I watched this past weekend.

You need to draft off of each other to keep pace.
You must cooperate with those around you, to be in a position to win.

I used to do 60 mile races and the amount of energy you save when you are drafting is simply amazing.

[Michael Hill]

Badminton?

[davidthefat]

Originally Posted by Michael Hill

Badminton?

Just a shame IMHO. That's disrespect to the audience and other opponents.

[AdamHeard]

Is it sailing?

[Ekcrbe]

I believe it was indoor volleyball, where someone admitted to touching the ball and gave up the point.

Or I could have completely made that up... I don't remember

[IKE]

Originally Posted by Ekcrbe

I believe it was indoor volleyball, where someone admitted to touching the ball and gave up the point.

Or I could have completely made that up... I don't remember

I would consider this more GP that Coopertition. Though a great example non-the less.

From the FIRST Website:
"Coopertition®

Coopertition® produces innovation. At FIRST, Coopertition is displaying unqualified kindness and respect in the face of fierce competition. Coopertition is founded on the concept and a philosophy that teams can and should help and cooperate with each other even as they compete.

Coopertition involves learning from teammates. It is teaching teammates. It is learning from Mentors. And it is managing and being managed. Coopertition means competing always, but assisting and enabling others when you can."

Keep the guesses and examples coming in.

OZ_341 is on the right track for the event I was thinking of. I was watching Women's Road Cycling where 3 women from different countires made a break from the pack (Peleton). There were actually 4, but one woman fell off the pace and returned to the Peleton. The 3 women took turns taking the lead for roughly 1 minute, while the other 2 drafted. The frequency of the changing was quite impressive to watch. While working together, I am sure they all had to weigh, "How much should I carry the other 2, When should I make my break?, If we stop cooperating too soon, we could get overtaken by the pack..." this is a lot to think about, but these three took it in stride. It was also clear that one of the riders was not taking as large a turn up front. This means, that the other two are carrying her, but without her, they would have an even heavier burden. This reminds me a lot of the usual alliance structure in FRC. You have 2 top tier scorers that are often considered to be "carrying" their 3rd partner. Just like FRC, that third though is often essential as the load they carry is often the difference between making it into the mdeals versus being run over by the pack.

[OZ_341]

Originally Posted by OZ_341

Any form of Long distance bike racing.
I was actually thinking about FIRST as I watched this past weekend.

You need to draft off of each other to keep pace.
You must cooperate with those around you, to be in a position to win.

I used to do 60 mile races and the amount of energy you save when you are drafting is simply amazing.

Just thought I would also mention that this technique was not invented by humans. Geese do this everyday!

[Taylor]

Originally Posted by OZ_341

Just thought I would also mention that this technique was not invented by humans. Geese do this everyday!

When geese fly, one side of the vee is always longer than the other side. Does anybody know why?

[Roger]

Originally Posted by Taylor

When geese fly, one side of the vee is always longer than the other side. Does anybody know why?

There's always an even number of geese? Okay, I got nothing.


Only in a vague sort of connection (sorry, it really isn't worth a separate thread), I was watching the indoor mens volleyball when there was a pause, and the judges were huddled with this poor woman at a side table, all busily staring at a laptop she had. I could see all the signs -- the initial panic, the hurried discussions, the final relief when the players could continue play.... Yes, even in the Olympics, the Field crashed, and they had to reboot the volleyball game. The only thing missing was the players lining up to do the Cotton Joe song.

[techtiger1]

Originally Posted by Taylor

When geese fly, one side of the vee is always longer than the other side. Does anybody know why?

In the flying V the one side is longer becuase the goose in the back is drafting the others. Doing this is rest for the bird and the one in the back will eventually rotate with the one in the lead. Has no one ever seen mighty ducks lol? This is a very good example of coopertition .

[Jon Stratis]

Originally Posted by Taylor

When geese fly, one side of the vee is always longer than the other side. Does anybody know why?

I'm going to guess it's somehow due to aerodynamic efficiencies caused by crosswinds. Wind blowing in from the side could have an effect in the direction the draft from the goose in front of you takes (as opposed to straight back), or it could make it easier/harder to get blown to the side out of formation.

[Roger]

There's always an even number of geese?

Taking a gander on the internet, this may fly closer to the truth than I originally geessed, er, guessed. Get another feather for my cap!

ETA: You guys are over-thinking it. And not reading the question properly.

And to really goose this hijack -- the geese in my neighborhood even do the line flying from one end of a field to another. But do they ever argue about going somewhere! For at least ten minutes they honk back and forth, debating. Yes, lets go over there! No, grass is just fine here! You'd think they had nothing better to do than argue!

Next time I'll do a field survey and see if there is an odd or even number of geese.

[IKE]

Only on CD can a thread about Coopertition get Goose-jacked...

I would consider Geese flying more of a cooperation than coopertition though (though a competitive food plot could exist). Now if only this thread could turn into a Stag Hunt ( Nash Equilibrium)...

[Kris Verdeyen]

Originally Posted by Taylor

When geese fly, one side of the vee is always longer than the other side. Does anybody know why?

More geese that side?