Go to Post It means Dave Lavery isn't on the Game Design Committee this year. If he were, you probably would have found a banana instead. - Alan Anderson [more]
Home
Go Back   Chief Delphi > FIRST > General Forum
CD-Media   CD-Spy  
portal register members calendar search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read FAQ rules

 
Reply
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 13-08-2012, 13:56
Conor Ryan Conor Ryan is offline
I'm parking robot yacht club.
FRC #4571 (Robot Yacht Club)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Rookie Year: 2004
Location: Midtown, NYC
Posts: 1,899
Conor Ryan has a reputation beyond reputeConor Ryan has a reputation beyond reputeConor Ryan has a reputation beyond reputeConor Ryan has a reputation beyond reputeConor Ryan has a reputation beyond reputeConor Ryan has a reputation beyond reputeConor Ryan has a reputation beyond reputeConor Ryan has a reputation beyond reputeConor Ryan has a reputation beyond reputeConor Ryan has a reputation beyond reputeConor Ryan has a reputation beyond repute
FIRST Five-Year Strategic Plan (2013-2017)

I hope I'm not the only person that caught the strategic plan that came out July 16th...
http://www.usfirst.org/sites/default...tegic_Plan.pdf

It is a very interesting document to read, gives a lot of insight into what is in store for us over the next few years.. at least from a very top level perspective.

Some key takeaways from the "The path to achieving our vision" section
  • Make FRC, the ultimate robotics program, more available, accessible, and sustainable
  • Better leverage our four programs to enhance the progression of learning
  • Build and strengthen the FIRST leadership team
  • Create a more efficient, responsive organization

I really like the last point they mentioned there, but the verbiage in regards to FRC I do not think I have seen in writing before.

In the program growth section the numbers seem pretty constant for FLL and FTC, but JFLL and FTC are supposed to grow by 6 and 3 times their current size!

Also, in the Financials section, there were some very interesting numbers explaining how the money that goes to FIRST works out. I am actually kind of surprised by the budget numbers, some are actually lower than I predicted, but most surprisingly, I didn't actually think it was the most efficient 501c3 Charity in the US, but in actuality, overhead costs are very efficient as proven by this watchdog: http://www.charitynavigator.org/inde...ary&orgid=9402.

And when you compare those statistics to some popular charities: http://www.charitynavigator.org/inde...ail&listid=148, looking pretty great! And this does not include all the teams that raise their own funds, meaning that in fact the organizational impact efficiency is probably a little bit better than the numbers show! (Assuming teams are using all monies raised by teams are used the "right way").

But all in all this was a very interesting document to read. If you are planning on running for a chairman's award its a must read and it tells you what kinds of teams we should be starting up!

Great job HQ!
Reply With Quote
  #2   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 14-08-2012, 12:11
lynca's Avatar
lynca lynca is offline
Andrew Lynch
FRC #2587 (DiscoBots)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Rookie Year: 2001
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 1,613
lynca has a reputation beyond reputelynca has a reputation beyond reputelynca has a reputation beyond reputelynca has a reputation beyond reputelynca has a reputation beyond reputelynca has a reputation beyond reputelynca has a reputation beyond reputelynca has a reputation beyond reputelynca has a reputation beyond reputelynca has a reputation beyond reputelynca has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to lynca
Re: FIRST Five-Year Strategic Plan (2013-2017)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Conor Ryan View Post
In the program growth section the numbers seem pretty constant for FLL and FTC, but JFLL and FTC are supposed to grow by 6 and 3 times their current size!
FLL growth makes sense because they have a natural trend that's working well for the organization.

The growth factor for JFLL/FTC makes me cringe a bit .... FIRST needs to be careful to let growth happen organically instead of handing out money to schools. I have seen many teams started in FRC based on a multi-year attractive STEM grant without carefully vetting the teacher's commitment to FIRST.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Conor Ryan View Post
Also, in the Financials section, there were some very interesting numbers explaining how the money that goes to FIRST works out. I am actually kind of surprised by the budget numbers, some are actually lower than I predicted, but most surprisingly, I didn't actually think it was the most efficient 501c3 Charity in the US, but in actuality, overhead costs are very efficient as proven by this watchdog: http://www.charitynavigator.org/inde...ary&orgid=9402.

And when you compare those statistics to some popular charities: http://www.charitynavigator.org/inde...ail&listid=148, looking pretty great! And this does not include all the teams that raise their own funds, meaning that in fact the organizational impact efficiency is probably a little bit better than the numbers show! (Assuming teams are using all monies raised by teams are used the "right way").
These numbers look good, I'm happy to see FIRST is taking care of their finances. Maybe one day we can actually see a reduction in the entry fee for FRC teams.
__________________
History: 624 - Cryptonite --> 118 - Robonauts --> 2158 - AusTIN CANS --> 2587 DiscoBots
Bio: Andrew Lynch "How I Work" ---- LinkedIn , Facebook, Twitter
Reply With Quote
  #3   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 14-08-2012, 16:26
jcarr jcarr is offline
Coach
FTC #3539
Team Role: Teacher
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Rookie Year: 2005
Location: lost in, space
Posts: 57
jcarr has much to be proud ofjcarr has much to be proud ofjcarr has much to be proud ofjcarr has much to be proud ofjcarr has much to be proud ofjcarr has much to be proud ofjcarr has much to be proud ofjcarr has much to be proud of
Re: FIRST Five-Year Strategic Plan (2013-2017)

I noticed that FTC is targeting middle school which is interesting. We had two middle school FLL graduates on our rookie FTC team and the team reached the World Championship, so they can handle the competition (although the kids were an accomplished FLL team that won a state championship). However, going younger doesn't quite mesh with the rule change introducing welding and machining parts into the FTC game.
Reply With Quote
  #4   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 14-08-2012, 17:17
Tetraman's Avatar
Tetraman Tetraman is offline
FIRST on my mind
AKA: Evan Raitt
no team
Team Role: Alumni
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Rookie Year: 2002
Location: Manchester, NH
Posts: 1,322
Tetraman has a reputation beyond reputeTetraman has a reputation beyond reputeTetraman has a reputation beyond reputeTetraman has a reputation beyond reputeTetraman has a reputation beyond reputeTetraman has a reputation beyond reputeTetraman has a reputation beyond reputeTetraman has a reputation beyond reputeTetraman has a reputation beyond reputeTetraman has a reputation beyond reputeTetraman has a reputation beyond repute
Re: FIRST Five-Year Strategic Plan (2013-2017)

I have a lot of comments on this plan.

a) Can we all agree that the photo of the picture on the title page is probably the best image of the previous season?

(now for serious comments)

b) "..lower-cost competition structure.." Good news for any team. The cheaper the program is to be part of, the more teams you can maintain over time, specifically new teams. But HOW is the question. What is it that will help teams with the cost of being in FIRST?

c) Looking over the progression of learning, I really wish there was some sort of "everyone robotics" for after high school. Like a FTC, but for college students who want in, or a group of parent mentors who want to try their hand at their own robotics know-how.

d) I see a great jump in projected teams from 2015 to 2016, I wonder why that is? They also have a large projected jump in funding in 2016 as well. Is there something happening in 4 years we don't know about, or are they projecting that 2016 is the "year" that their plans are fully implemented?
__________________
"For every great theory about design, there is a better and contradictory theory about design. And don't let the irony of that escape you."
Reply With Quote
  #5   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 14-08-2012, 17:51
Basel A's Avatar
Basel A Basel A is online now
It's pronounced Basl with a soft s
AKA: @BaselThe2nd
FRC #3322 (Eagle Imperium)
Team Role: College Student
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Rookie Year: 2009
Location: Ann Arbor, Michigan
Posts: 1,940
Basel A has a reputation beyond reputeBasel A has a reputation beyond reputeBasel A has a reputation beyond reputeBasel A has a reputation beyond reputeBasel A has a reputation beyond reputeBasel A has a reputation beyond reputeBasel A has a reputation beyond reputeBasel A has a reputation beyond reputeBasel A has a reputation beyond reputeBasel A has a reputation beyond reputeBasel A has a reputation beyond repute
Re: FIRST Five-Year Strategic Plan (2013-2017)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tetraman View Post
b) "..lower-cost competition structure.." Good news for any team. The cheaper the program is to be part of, the more teams you can maintain over time, specifically new teams. But HOW is the question. What is it that will help teams with the cost of being in FIRST?
My best guess is that this is a reference to the District system, though FIRST doesn't seem to have any published qualms about the difficulties of implementing it in low-FRC-density areas.

I'm personally wondering how they plan to double the size of FRC in 5 years while remaining sustainable.
__________________
Team 2337 | 2009-2012 | Student
Team 3322 | 2014-Present | College Student
“Be excellent in everything you do and the results will just happen.”
-Paul Copioli
Reply With Quote
  #6   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 14-08-2012, 23:50
tcjinaz tcjinaz is offline
Tim
FRC #3853
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: May 2011
Rookie Year: 2011
Location: Arizona
Posts: 206
tcjinaz has a spectacular aura abouttcjinaz has a spectacular aura about
Re: FIRST Five-Year Strategic Plan (2013-2017)

My initial reaction is that FRC gets simplified. Simpler games beget simpler fields beget lower costs.

Do we back off on the control system (multiple Arduinos?), limits on the number of motors/actuators? Too many options, too little time for this discussion here.

But then there seems to be a lot of growth planned in "in-kind" support. More in the KOP? More in the post-KOP shopping vouchers? Larger incentives (beyond $, competitive?) to use particular parts/systems?

On growth projections: it looks like the growth plan is through *FLL. FTC+FRC seems to just barely match the previous years' *FLL numbers. Are they planning for attrition, as opposed to growth up the line? I think FIRST is the kind of thing that should become more appealing as young minds gel.

It's nice to see the organization has the Grand and Worthy Plan. Now lets see the thinking behind the projections, and figure out how to do it. The reason for being is worth it.

Tim
__________________
Software Mentor
3853 Pridetronics[

Reply With Quote
  #7   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 15-08-2012, 23:31
Anupam Goli's Avatar
Anupam Goli Anupam Goli is offline
PCH Q&A co-founder/Scouting Mentor
AKA: noops
FRC #1648 (G3 Robotics)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Rookie Year: 2008
Location: Atlanta, Georgia
Posts: 1,242
Anupam Goli has a reputation beyond reputeAnupam Goli has a reputation beyond reputeAnupam Goli has a reputation beyond reputeAnupam Goli has a reputation beyond reputeAnupam Goli has a reputation beyond reputeAnupam Goli has a reputation beyond reputeAnupam Goli has a reputation beyond reputeAnupam Goli has a reputation beyond reputeAnupam Goli has a reputation beyond reputeAnupam Goli has a reputation beyond reputeAnupam Goli has a reputation beyond repute
Re: FIRST Five-Year Strategic Plan (2013-2017)

I feel like the "budget" point looks towards Districting to counter the cost issue. I feel like having districts will also make the FRC experience much better for newcoming teams, and promote growth in the areas (the huge growth in estimated number of teams by 2016 could be attributed to this). Though, i sort of felt like this was more of a skimming of the actual strategy, and doesn't discuss much implementation. Maybe that's for the eyes of those in FIRST only?
__________________
Team 1002: 2008-2012
Team 1648: 2012-2016
Georgia Tech Class of 2016
Reply With Quote
  #8   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 17-08-2012, 21:48
DampRobot's Avatar
DampRobot DampRobot is offline
Physics Major
AKA: Roger Romani
FRC #0100 (The Wildhats) and FRC#971 (Spartan Robotics)
Team Role: College Student
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Rookie Year: 2010
Location: Stanford University
Posts: 1,277
DampRobot has a reputation beyond reputeDampRobot has a reputation beyond reputeDampRobot has a reputation beyond reputeDampRobot has a reputation beyond reputeDampRobot has a reputation beyond reputeDampRobot has a reputation beyond reputeDampRobot has a reputation beyond reputeDampRobot has a reputation beyond reputeDampRobot has a reputation beyond reputeDampRobot has a reputation beyond reputeDampRobot has a reputation beyond repute
Re: FIRST Five-Year Strategic Plan (2013-2017)

I think the number one way to grow FRC's standing in the community and participation is to televise completions like Championships like a sporting event. Robotics will simply be "another club" without it becoming a serious spectator event. Yes, I know that matches for many regional are live streamed online, but it just doesn't get the same diverse viewership that television would.

In the past, there have been small features on morning TV about regionals, but those tend to be simply documenting their existence, not the gameplay. Serious sports coverage would help attract new sponsors and new teams. And it's not like watching matches would be boring, especially with only the best ones being broadcast. FIRST already designs them to be spectator friendly, it just doesn't seem to do a very good job of getting people not involved in robotics to watch them.
__________________
The mind is not a vessel to be filled, but a fire to be lighted.

-Plutarch
Reply With Quote
  #9   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 18-08-2012, 02:23
hiyou102's Avatar
hiyou102 hiyou102 is offline
Registered User
no team
Team Role: Alumni
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Rookie Year: 2000
Location: Anywhere
Posts: 107
hiyou102 has much to be proud ofhiyou102 has much to be proud ofhiyou102 has much to be proud ofhiyou102 has much to be proud ofhiyou102 has much to be proud ofhiyou102 has much to be proud ofhiyou102 has much to be proud ofhiyou102 has much to be proud of
Re: FIRST Five-Year Strategic Plan (2013-2017)

I think need to think a bit more internationally. They talk about it's importance to American education and seems to disregard it's impact abroad. If they talk more about it's impact on culture around the world in addition to the United States that would help solidify it as an international organization.
__________________
Team 4334 2012-2014
Reply With Quote
  #10   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 18-08-2012, 05:05
kiasam111's Avatar
kiasam111 kiasam111 is offline
Registered User
AKA: Kiatin
FRC #3132 (Thunder Down Under)
Team Role: Webmaster
 
Join Date: May 2012
Rookie Year: 2012
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 79
kiasam111 is a glorious beacon of lightkiasam111 is a glorious beacon of lightkiasam111 is a glorious beacon of lightkiasam111 is a glorious beacon of lightkiasam111 is a glorious beacon of light
Re: FIRST Five-Year Strategic Plan (2013-2017)

Quote:
Originally Posted by hiyou102 View Post
I think need to think a bit more internationally. They talk about it's importance to American education and seems to disregard it's impact abroad. If they talk more about it's impact on culture around the world in addition to the United States that would help solidify it as an international organization.
I echo your words as an Australian FRC student. Something that one of my team mates was able to ask Woodie Flowers in person was what FIRST was doing to cater for metric teams, and Woodie gave a very encouraging answer, which has slipped my mind.

I would be quite interested to find out just what percentage of Americans make up the total FIRST community too, just to see =P
Reply With Quote
  #11   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 18-08-2012, 20:54
PayneTrain's Avatar
PayneTrain PayneTrain is offline
no
AKA: Lizard King
FRC #0422 (The Meme Tech Pneumatic Devices)
Team Role: Mascot
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Rookie Year: 2009
Location: RVA
Posts: 2,274
PayneTrain has a reputation beyond reputePayneTrain has a reputation beyond reputePayneTrain has a reputation beyond reputePayneTrain has a reputation beyond reputePayneTrain has a reputation beyond reputePayneTrain has a reputation beyond reputePayneTrain has a reputation beyond reputePayneTrain has a reputation beyond reputePayneTrain has a reputation beyond reputePayneTrain has a reputation beyond reputePayneTrain has a reputation beyond repute
Re: FIRST Five-Year Strategic Plan (2013-2017)

Quote:
Originally Posted by jcarr View Post
I noticed that FTC is targeting middle school which is interesting. We had two middle school FLL graduates on our rookie FTC team and the team reached the World Championship, so they can handle the competition (although the kids were an accomplished FLL team that won a state championship). However, going younger doesn't quite mesh with the rule change introducing welding and machining parts into the FTC game.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tetraman View Post
I have a lot of comments on this plan.

b) "..lower-cost competition structure.." Good news for any team. The cheaper the program is to be part of, the more teams you can maintain over time, specifically new teams. But HOW is the question. What is it that will help teams with the cost of being in FIRST?

d) I see a great jump in projected teams from 2015 to 2016, I wonder why that is? They also have a large projected jump in funding in 2016 as well. Is there something happening in 4 years we don't know about, or are they projecting that 2016 is the "year" that their plans are fully implemented?
I talked to someone who works with VirginiaFIRST back in May and told me that the state was looking to jump on putting FTC in middle schools. I don't know if that will result in a Jr FTC and an FTC, but the JrFLL/FLL kids will be using the same programming. Maybe they will be far limited to make it more like a programmable erector set and FTC gets its mini-machining for high schools on a budget.

I believe points b) and d) are connected specifically with the district system. Maybe we will see FIRST start a mandated roll out of the district structure across the continental US and possibly roll out a new pricing structure with it.
Regardless, the district model allows for more local exposure which can equate to more teams in an area.

Registering an FRC team, affording an FRC team, and being able to commit to it are things FIRST never seems to measure together. I think to be competitive a rookie team should look to operate under at least double their registration fee. Even a team that runs $25-30k will be pinching pennies if they are going to multiple events.

As it stands, the program has no reason to shrink in any of its divisions. The problem they are hopefully noticing is making sure FIRST is built more like a house and less like a house of cards going into a hopeful period of economic growth and education reinvestment in the country.

This is a great resource teams can use to use as a supplement for sponsor presentations. A fiscally responsible and efficient organization targeting growth of students of all ages is something any business would want to be a part of. A corporation being a major partner in that would be even better. When/if the lid blows off the secret jar of FIRST jelly, companies would want their name on it to say "we were there".
Reply With Quote
  #12   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 19-08-2012, 13:54
richardyun richardyun is offline
Registered User
FRC #0781
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Kincardine Ontario
Posts: 9
richardyun is on a distinguished road
Re: FIRST Five-Year Strategic Plan (2013-2017)

@hiyou102

You have raised a good point. On the one hand, the origin of FIRST, and continuing vision as expressed in this strategic plan, is to foster the development of technical innovation in the USA to "benefit the nation's economic competitiveness" and to address the concern that "the United States consistently ranks in the middle of the pack, or lower, in student performance in science and mathematics when compared with other developed nations". On the other hand, FIRST takes pride in having grown beyond the USA and says "Although our primary emphasis is on North America, we operate in more than 60 countries."

Even when talking about North America, there are at least two countries, that are not the USA, with active FIRST programs. This strategic plan talks at times about just the US and at other times includes Canada so it is not clear if the vision is for one nation, two nations or all of North America.

I guess the question is: “If we raise the level and interest in STEM significantly in all those 60 plus countries, but the USA is still in the middle of the pack, is this success?” To what extent is it okay to help other countries build their technical capability?

Bottom line - In the big picture, are we still talking Coopertition or is it Competition?
Reply With Quote
  #13   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 19-08-2012, 14:44
hiyou102's Avatar
hiyou102 hiyou102 is offline
Registered User
no team
Team Role: Alumni
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Rookie Year: 2000
Location: Anywhere
Posts: 107
hiyou102 has much to be proud ofhiyou102 has much to be proud ofhiyou102 has much to be proud ofhiyou102 has much to be proud ofhiyou102 has much to be proud ofhiyou102 has much to be proud ofhiyou102 has much to be proud ofhiyou102 has much to be proud of
Re: FIRST Five-Year Strategic Plan (2013-2017)

Quote:
Originally Posted by richardyun View Post
@hiyou102
I guess the question is: “If we raise the level and interest in STEM significantly in all those 60 plus countries, but the USA is still in the middle of the pack, is this success?” To what extent is it okay to help other countries build their technical capability?
That's what I was thinking. Coming from a non-middle of the pack country I really wonder if it's within FIRST's plan to really help us. Since we are a competing nation that ranks higher in education wouldn't it make things harder for America if we became even more educated?

I also thought it was odd at Champs when they kept on talking about America's success even though there were plenty of non-Americans there. It seems strange that we come to a competition in which the host country keeps on talking about beating us.
__________________
Team 4334 2012-2014

Last edited by hiyou102 : 20-08-2012 at 03:16.
Reply With Quote
  #14   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 19-08-2012, 16:22
Libby K's Avatar
Libby K Libby K is offline
Always a MidKnight Inventor.
FRC #1923 (The MidKnight Inventors)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Rookie Year: 1992
Location: West Windsor, NJ
Posts: 1,584
Libby K has a reputation beyond reputeLibby K has a reputation beyond reputeLibby K has a reputation beyond reputeLibby K has a reputation beyond reputeLibby K has a reputation beyond reputeLibby K has a reputation beyond reputeLibby K has a reputation beyond reputeLibby K has a reputation beyond reputeLibby K has a reputation beyond reputeLibby K has a reputation beyond reputeLibby K has a reputation beyond repute
Re: FIRST Five-Year Strategic Plan (2013-2017)

To the international sentiments here:

I agree with you. FIRST isn't USFIRST anymore (except in URL). But just like some people still call it 'nationals', some little bits of the statements about FIRST's vision are very US-centric, and that takes some time for adjustment.

Keep in mind that FIRST the non-profit is based in America and therefore, documents its service to US schools and students. However, FIRST the competition has clearly expanded out into the world and encourages that expansion. Don't worry, non-USA teams - FIRST knows you're there, and they couldn't be happier about it.

Changing messaging just takes time.
__________________
Libby Kamen
Team 1923: The MidKnight Inventors
2006-2009: Founder, Captain, Operator, Regional Champion.
2010-Always: Proud Alumni, Mentor & Drive Coach. 2015 Woodie Flowers Finalist Award.

-
229: Division By Zero / 4124: Integration by Parts
2010-2013: Clarkson University Mentor for FLL, FTC & FRC

-
FIRST Partner Associate, United Therapeutics
#TeamUnither | facebook, twitter & instagram | @unitherFIRST

-
questions? comments? concerns? | twitter: @libbyk | about.me/libbykamen
Reply With Quote
  #15   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 19-08-2012, 16:29
XaulZan11's Avatar
XaulZan11 XaulZan11 is offline
Registered User
AKA: John Christiansen
FRC #1732
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Rookie Year: 2006
Location: Milwaukee, Wi
Posts: 1,329
XaulZan11 has a reputation beyond reputeXaulZan11 has a reputation beyond reputeXaulZan11 has a reputation beyond reputeXaulZan11 has a reputation beyond reputeXaulZan11 has a reputation beyond reputeXaulZan11 has a reputation beyond reputeXaulZan11 has a reputation beyond reputeXaulZan11 has a reputation beyond reputeXaulZan11 has a reputation beyond reputeXaulZan11 has a reputation beyond reputeXaulZan11 has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to XaulZan11
Re: FIRST Five-Year Strategic Plan (2013-2017)

Quote:
Originally Posted by richardyun View Post
You have raised a good point. On the one hand, the origin of FIRST, and continuing vision as expressed in this strategic plan, is to foster the development of technical innovation in the USA to "benefit the nation's economic competitiveness" and to address the concern that "the United States consistently ranks in the middle of the pack, or lower, in student performance in science and mathematics when compared with other developed nations". On the other hand, FIRST takes pride in having grown beyond the USA and says "Although our primary emphasis is on North America, we operate in more than 60 countries."

Even when talking about North America, there are at least two countries, that are not the USA, with active FIRST programs. This strategic plan talks at times about just the US and at other times includes Canada so it is not clear if the vision is for one nation, two nations or all of North America.

I guess the question is: “If we raise the level and interest in STEM significantly in all those 60 plus countries, but the USA is still in the middle of the pack, is this success?” To what extent is it okay to help other countries build their technical capability?

Bottom line - In the big picture, are we still talking Coopertition or is it Competition?
Another aspect is getting governmental funding and some sponsorships. FIRST is probably more likely to gain funding by stressing the idea of investing in the future of America opposed to having the money go help those in Canada, Mexico, Isreal and so on.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 20:36.

The Chief Delphi Forums are sponsored by Innovation First International, Inc.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Chief Delphi