How did you come to do webpage design?

[Celia]

Originally Posted by sg999

When I first joined my robotics team, they wanted me to do website design because I had experience with HTML and javascript, but I got really offended that they didn't even bother asking me what I wanted to do (programming), so for the first half of the year, I stayed as far away from web design as possible. However, towards the second half of the year, when our sole non engineering member quit, we still had no website. In the middle of build season, I was unable to go to meetings for two weeks, but I still wanted to contribute, and the only way I could do so was through making our team a website.

Morale of the story? Just because someone has experience with web design (or anything else for that matter), don't assume that's what they want to do in robotics. (Sorry, not very helpful, I know)

One thing that we're doing this year is that we're joining forces with FBLA (Future Business Leaders of America) because they're a really big group and some of them have expressed interest in starting an online business. I think we're supposed to be getting a couple of them to help me with the website this year.

Thank you for the moral. Getting people interested in other aspects is something we need, too, as a third of our team graduated last school year. Web page just seems like a good way to this, even if they end up doing build or something.

That's pretty cool that the FBLA are helping you out! It would be fun to team up with a group like that. So now, do you enjoy doing the website or would you rather be solely a programmer?

--Celia

[North Sailor]

Hmm, about to get all nestalgic...

I had always been a creative type, and loved business concepts, however when I was in high school, my robotics team had just started. They didnt do half bad (winning rookie all-star at worlds) but because of how "proud" they were they didnt have the best reputation at first with the entire student body. But in truth I think the rest of us were just jealous.

Either way, the team wanted to turn their workspace into a home and so they asked me a member of the art class to paint a mural of their logo on the wall. At first I thought the logo was really bad, but I painted it anyways. It turned out that the wall that the mural was on, was directly overlooking the computers that the web team used.

Being the opinionated little brat that I was my junior year of high school, I analyzed their work, and started a conversation with them. I thought I could do better, though I lacked the coding experience. I joined the team the following year as the co-webmaster. I managed all of the content and graphics and another student did all the coding.

We became really good friends, and ultimately with my joining the team, the entire team attitude changed and became more accepting of everyone in the school, not just the hard core nerds.

The team is now really popular, and recruits students both in and outside of the engineering classes. I now serve as a mentor for the team, responsible for the entire business and web team. And, I am more than just a creative-art-type. I actually graduated from college in Naval Architecture and Marine Engineering, and am a civilian engineer for the Navy now.

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I guess the advice that comes out of my story is that rather than trying to simply recruit students already interested in engineering to go work on the website, you should try to focus your efforts on those non-engineering students in your school, who like art, and are creative. They might even find in the process that they like engineering...which is the ultimate goal of FIRST anyways.

(maybe ask them to paint you a mural, and in the process show them how fun FIRST is.)

[Celia]

Originally Posted by North Sailor

Hmm, about to get all nestalgic...

I had always been a creative type, and loved business concepts, however when I was in high school, my robotics team had just started. They didnt do half bad (winning rookie all-star at worlds) but because of how "proud" they were they didnt have the best reputation at first with the entire student body. But in truth I think the rest of us were just jealous.

Either way, the team wanted to turn their workspace into a home and so they asked me a member of the art class to paint a mural of their logo on the wall. At first I thought the logo was really bad, but I painted it anyways. It turned out that the wall that the mural was on, was directly overlooking the computers that the web team used.

Being the opinionated little brat that I was my junior year of high school, I analyzed their work, and started a conversation with them. I thought I could do better, though I lacked the coding experience. I joined the team the following year as the co-webmaster. I managed all of the content and graphics and another student did all the coding.

We became really good friends, and ultimately with my joining the team, the entire team attitude changed and became more accepting of everyone in the school, not just the hard core nerds.

The team is now really popular, and recruits students both in and outside of the engineering classes. I now serve as a mentor for the team, responsible for the entire business and web team. And, I am more than just a creative-art-type. I actually graduated from college in Naval Architecture and Marine Engineering, and am a civilian engineer for the Navy now.

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I guess the advice that comes out of my story is that rather than trying to simply recruit students already interested in engineering to go work on the website, you should try to focus your efforts on those non-engineering students in your school, who like art, and are creative. They might even find in the process that they like engineering...which is the ultimate goal of FIRST anyways.

(maybe ask them to paint you a mural, and in the process show them how fun FIRST is.)

That's a nice story about some acceptance =) I'm glad your team has "grown" that way! I like the mural suggestion, too. In my school, the AP art kids get to paint the classroom doors!

Each year, we do a robotics presentation for the school, so everyone at least vaguely knows of the team. I was focusing on more personal recruiting, but talking to some of the artsy-er people never even crossed my mind. Thank you! I'll definitely explore that option.

--Celia

[sg999]

Originally Posted by Celia

Thank you for the moral. Getting people interested in other aspects is something we need, too, as a third of our team graduated last school year. Web page just seems like a good way to this, even if they end up doing build or something.

That's pretty cool that the FBLA are helping you out! It would be fun to team up with a group like that. So now, do you enjoy doing the website or would you rather be solely a programmer?

--Celia

The website I did solely at home, so it wasn't too bad. I don't mind doing the website, but since I made it, I would want to be the one to do the upkeep for it. Given the choice though, I would have much rather let some one else do the website, because it's not something I'm interested in. This year, I'm going to start transitioning the role of website team/webmaster to FBLA because I'm graduating in June, so I kind of have to.

On a different note, I agree with North Sailor in that you never know where you can find people interested in robotics. (Apparently our accounting classes are also helping us take care of team finances.) I really shouldn't talk, because my team is so small, but make sure you do advertising for your team _everywhere_.

[Celia]

Originally Posted by sg999

The website I did solely at home, so it wasn't too bad. I don't mind doing the website, but since I made it, I would want to be the one to do the upkeep for it. Given the choice though, I would have much rather let some one else do the website, because it's not something I'm interested in. This year, I'm going to start transitioning the role of website team/webmaster to FBLA because I'm graduating in June, so I kind of have to.

On a different note, I agree with North Sailor in that you never know where you can find people interested in robotics. (Apparently our accounting classes are also helping us take care of team finances.) I really shouldn't talk, because my team is so small, but make sure you do advertising for your team _everywhere_.

That's a shame you have to do it if you aren't interested in it. At least it's switching hands soon =) How long have you been on your team? When I joined, I was torn between joining programming or starting an animation subteam. I like animation, but I'm thinking of switching over my junior year.

I hear you on small teams (We're at ten or eleven. One team in my area has FOUR. Another has 73). Unfortunately, I think it's a bit intimidating for new people, especially freshmen, to come to our meetings. Especially if none of their friends are interested. That's one more reason I wanted to try a more personal approach to recruiting.

--Celia

[sg999]

Originally Posted by Celia

That's a shame you have to do it if you aren't interested in it. At least it's switching hands soon =) How long have you been on your team? When I joined, I was torn between joining programming or starting an animation subteam. I like animation, but I'm thinking of switching over my junior year.

I hear you on small teams (We're at ten or eleven. One team in my area has FOUR. Another has 73). Unfortunately, I think it's a bit intimidating for new people, especially freshmen, to come to our meetings. Especially if none of their friends are interested. That's one more reason I wanted to try a more personal approach to recruiting.

--Celia

I've been on the team since the beginning of last year, my junior year. I was interested in robotics as a freshman, but I only ever heard one announcement about a meeting that I couldn't make. The only reason I'm in robotics now is because I sat next to some one in robotics last year, and he mentioned it to me once. One of my biggest regrets of high school is probably going to be not joining robotics sooner.

I completely agree with the fact that it's hard to get new people to join small teams, because by the end of the season, you're either all enemies (in which case a couple members would have left) or you're all friends. By the last off season competition last year, we didn't even have enough free people (I was taking ACT's and one was working) to have a human player or student coach. We always start off with a lot of people, but we always lose most of them by the first couple weeks of build season. Sorry, I got really off topic.

And as to website maintenence, I don't really mind, because it was an unique experience, it helped my team out a lot, and it doesn't take too much time now that the hard part's done (the making of the website).

[KeatonM]

I made a website for a contest when I was 10. It was absolutely awful, and looking back, I probably broke every W3 'rule' there is. It had a marquee, links that were the same color as the text, and more.

Even though the site was bad, I liked making it, and stick with it.

Now I'm 18, and throughout the last 8 years, I've been on the staff team of several large gaming forums, two of which I'm still staff at. (one gets 300k page views a month and the other gets over 1 million.)

I've also been working as a web developer with a small company for the last year. I realize that's it pretty much perfect for me.

I'm in college for IT, but I'm doing a web and mobile concentration.

Web design (and moreso development) for me is incredibly rewarding.

During my last year in FIRST I started a redesign effort on my team's website, which will hopefully be live before build season starts (assuming the current members get it done )

[kiasam111]

I hope you don't find this annoying, but I'm going to get a little picky. =) That's a huge encouragement, as it means that you only have to fix a few little things, but your overall website is looking good. I may have already said some of these in a different way, but I hope you take it well.

1. Move your 'About Us' content block above the 'Team Guidlines' block. The 'Team Guidlines' block is really big (which isn't a bad thing) so you have to do quite a bit of scrolling before you reach it.

2. If part of the purpose of your website is to atract new members, utilise your calendar! It is really well integrated in, so try adding some events, such as open days, or even days of team meetings. By doing so, you may get some new members.

Hope that helps! I will be following your website and how it goes =D

[Celia]

Originally Posted by kiasam111

I hope you don't find this annoying, but I'm going to get a little picky. =) That's a huge encouragement, as it means that you only have to fix a few little things, but your overall website is looking good. I may have already said some of these in a different way, but I hope you take it well.

1. Move your 'About Us' content block above the 'Team Guidlines' block. The 'Team Guidlines' block is really big (which isn't a bad thing) so you have to do quite a bit of scrolling before you reach it.

2. If part of the purpose of your website is to atract new members, utilise your calendar! It is really well integrated in, so try adding some events, such as open days, or even days of team meetings. By doing so, you may get some new members.

Hope that helps! I will be following your website and how it goes =D

I don't mind in the least =) I like the criticisms so I can compile a "To-Do" list of sorts for the site. I'd like to have some kind of thing where team members can log in to the site so they can edit things (calendar, subteam pages) or access a central contact page (with team members' phone numbers, emails, team parents' info, etc.), but I don't think we can do that through our school site... Hopefully we can get the website to a point where we can refer people to it for current information about us. I think that would be positively fabulous.

(I realize now that I don't think I've stated anywhere in this thread that I don't know a thing about webpage design. I just think ours could be better utilized.)

[SarahBeth]

I am one of those people that have a lot of good ideas about web sites, but not necessarily the skills to execute them (even though that's changing this year - I'm going to be taking over the web site design because the person who did it last year doesn't have time this year). We're starting from scratch so to speak, but I'm using what we have as a jumping off point.

I went and looked at a LOT of other teams' web sites - I noticed what I liked and what I thought we could integrate relatively easily into ours. I noticed that most of them were clean, easy to read, and easy to navigate. Then I went through our web site and wrote down stuff that I wanted to change - all the content changes, the students can do. The web changes themselves, I need to do. The coding is in dreamweaver, which is pretty easy to use and probably what yours is in too. Check with the web design teacher.

As far as recruiting, its important to reach out to other teachers and students in your school, as well as the community. Its helpful if you have an in-building person to be your liaison, your voice to the administration so to speak. We lost 10 seniors this year and were kind of worried, but had a mixer last month and had 17 new kids (not just freshmen either!) come. We have a freshman orientation day and did a demo in the auditorium, which included them coming up on stage if they wanted to shoot the robot. We also had the school announcements promote the mixer every day leading up to it, which I think contributed to it too. Tell your current students to tell their friends, and bring their friends to meetings. We have a really good mix of students on our team - not just strictly mechanical or nerdy - but lots of creative types too, which is awesome - creative people tend to look at the world differently and sometimes you need that!

Wow, long post was long! Sorry! But good luck with everything.

[Doden]

Well.... Let's see. I started as a graphic designer, focusing on the front-end of the webpage, and working to develop user-interfaces, though as time went on, I started to get more and more interested in the back-end of webpage design. When designing our webpage (www.frc1410.org) we looked a lot at what other teams had done, and then we took it down, and rebuilt it from the ground up using a front-end approach. We put a lot of emphasis on the ability of a user to easily interact with the site, and take away a pleasing image of the team. One of the things that is key with web design in making everything easy to find.

For recruiting, we've done a lot of asking for volunteers, but one of the most important things is to find somebody who is passionate about outreach, not just designing a webpage. Keep in mind that a webpage is not only a useful tool, but the front of your team for the entire FIRST community and can be used as outreach material.

I wish you luck!

Team 1410

[Celia]

Originally Posted by Doden

Well.... Let's see. I started as a graphic designer, focusing on the front-end of the webpage, and working to develop user-interfaces, though as time went on, I started to get more and more interested in the back-end of webpage design. When designing our webpage (www.frc1410.org) we looked a lot at what other teams had done, and then we took it down, and rebuilt it from the ground up using a front-end approach. We put a lot of emphasis on the ability of a user to easily interact with the site, and take away a pleasing image of the team. One of the things that is key with web design in making everything easy to find.

For recruiting, we've done a lot of asking for volunteers, but one of the most important things is to find somebody who is passionate about outreach, not just designing a webpage. Keep in mind that a webpage is not only a useful tool, but the front of your team for the entire FIRST community and can be used as outreach material.

I wish you luck!

Team 1410

I like your site, nice job! I must say the "Sponsor Us" tab may have been my favorite =) I am wondering though, what is front end/back end? Like user interface/website skeleton?

--Celia

[Celia]

Originally Posted by SarahBeth

I am one of those people that have a lot of good ideas about web sites, but not necessarily the skills to execute them (even though that's changing this year - I'm going to be taking over the web site design because the person who did it last year doesn't have time this year). We're starting from scratch so to speak, but I'm using what we have as a jumping off point.

I went and looked at a LOT of other teams' web sites - I noticed what I liked and what I thought we could integrate relatively easily into ours. I noticed that most of them were clean, easy to read, and easy to navigate. Then I went through our web site and wrote down stuff that I wanted to change - all the content changes, the students can do. The web changes themselves, I need to do. The coding is in dreamweaver, which is pretty easy to use and probably what yours is in too. Check with the web design teacher.

As far as recruiting, its important to reach out to other teachers and students in your school, as well as the community. Its helpful if you have an in-building person to be your liaison, your voice to the administration so to speak. We lost 10 seniors this year and were kind of worried, but had a mixer last month and had 17 new kids (not just freshmen either!) come. We have a freshman orientation day and did a demo in the auditorium, which included them coming up on stage if they wanted to shoot the robot. We also had the school announcements promote the mixer every day leading up to it, which I think contributed to it too. Tell your current students to tell their friends, and bring their friends to meetings. We have a really good mix of students on our team - not just strictly mechanical or nerdy - but lots of creative types too, which is awesome - creative people tend to look at the world differently and sometimes you need that!

Wow, long post was long! Sorry! But good luck with everything.

Seventeen people? Oh my goodness, that's awesome! I really like the idea that you give potential teammates the chance to play with the bot during a presentation. I'll have to suggest that for our assembly this year.

The trouble our team has with friend recruiting is that we're all good friends with each other, and other friends we have have more than likely scoped out the team and decided it wasn't for them. We do try, though! Luckily we are starting to mix the technical and artsy, so that has opened some doors.

Thank you for your recruiting tips! I appreciate it. --Celia

[Celia]

Originally Posted by KeatonM

I made a website for a contest when I was 10. It was absolutely awful, and looking back, I probably broke every W3 'rule' there is. It had a marquee, links that were the same color as the text, and more.

Even though the site was bad, I liked making it, and stick with it.

Now I'm 18, and throughout the last 8 years, I've been on the staff team of several large gaming forums, two of which I'm still staff at. (one gets 300k page views a month and the other gets over 1 million.)

I've also been working as a web developer with a small company for the last year. I realize that's it pretty much perfect for me.

I'm in college for IT, but I'm doing a web and mobile concentration.

Web design (and moreso development) for me is incredibly rewarding.

During my last year in FIRST I started a redesign effort on my team's website, which will hopefully be live before build season starts (assuming the current members get it done )

It amazes me how early some people on this thread started web page design. And then to become successful in that field. It's so cool that you've turned something you like into a rewarding career.