Game hints for FRC...

[DampRobot]

Originally Posted by DRH2o

End Game -- we will be interfacing with the field to raise or lower something.
Just a Curiosity

http://www.andymark.com/FIRST-Choice-p/fc13-037.htm

http://www.andymark.com/FIRST-Choice-p/fc13-082.htm

I agree with you, but not because of the links you posted. The first has a lot of general uses, and is probbably the result of some stock room cleaning rather than to aid us in the game. He second has almost no conceivable connection with lifting something. It's basically a fancy form of shaft coupling.

Why do I believe that it will be a lifting style endgame? Because it appears as if the GDC uses the FTC endgame to test out FRC endgames (probbably in order to promote collablration between FTC and FRC teams). Take last year for example: we saw ramps being balanced. Saw that in the 2011 FTC endgame. The lifting the crates for bonus points was a huge crowd pleaser in 2012 FTC, and the GDC has done similar things for FRC the past. I'm guessing a return of the 2007 style lifting of other robots.

[dcarr]

Originally Posted by DampRobot

I agree with you, but not because of the links you posted. The first has a lot of general uses, and is probbably the result of some stock room cleaning rather than to aid us in the game. He second has almost no conceivable connection with lifting something. It's basically a fancy form of shaft coupling.

Why do I believe that it will be a lifting style endgame? Because it appears as if the GDC uses the FTC endgame to test out FRC endgames (probbably in order to promote collablration between FTC and FRC teams). Take last year for example: we saw ramps being balanced. Saw that in the 2011 FTC endgame. The lifting the crates for bonus points was a huge crowd pleaser in 2012 FTC, and the GDC has done similar things for FRC the past. I'm guessing a return of the 2007 style lifting of other robots.

That's a really interesting theory. In terms of actual collaboration, so far I don't think we've seen any great implementations of FRC-FTC collaboration - the minibots were "supposed" to promote this, but we all know that the best minibots were super-minimalistic and didn't draw much on FTC.

I was just watching some Rack 'n Roll videos the other day...man, lifting robots is so cool, I'd be excited to have that borught back!

[EricH]

Originally Posted by DampRobot

Because it appears as if the GDC uses the FTC endgame to test out FRC endgames (probbably in order to promote collablration between FTC and FRC teams). Take last year for example: we saw ramps being balanced. Saw that in the 2011 FTC endgame. The lifting the crates for bonus points was a huge crowd pleaser in 2012 FTC, and the GDC has done similar things for FRC the past. I'm guessing a return of the 2007 style lifting of other robots.

How do you know that last year's balancing act wasn't based partly on the 2001 FRC game? (And the FTC endgame the previous year wasn't also based on that?) Lifting the crates for bonus points--1999's main object was to lift game pieces for points (other than getting multipliers for lifted game objects, which occupied most of the game).

I wouldn't say that the GDC uses FTC to test anything--as far as I know, we're talking about two completely separate GDCs. Now, it might be that the FRC GDC looks at past FTC games and says "Why don't we do that but put a twist on it?" and the FTC GDC looks at past years' FRC games and says the same thing. But all that does is make things confusing for anybody insisting that there's a connection, because they can't show any connection.

I'd also like to point out that the very first FTC game--back when it was FVC--was an exact copy of the previous years' FRC game, played at about 1/3 scale. Just to confuse you even further, a year or so later, elements of the 2004 game appeared in another FVC game...And then the scale of the large ball on the field appeared in the 2008 FRC game.

[DampRobot]

Originally Posted by EricH

How do you know that last year's balancing act wasn't based partly on the 2001 FRC game? (And the FTC endgame the previous year wasn't also based on that?) Lifting the crates for bonus points--1999's main object was to lift game pieces for points (other than getting multipliers for lifted game objects, which occupied most of the game).

I wouldn't say that the GDC uses FTC to test anything--as far as I know, we're talking about two completely separate GDCs. Now, it might be that the FRC GDC looks at past FTC games and says "Why don't we do that but put a twist on it?" and the FTC GDC looks at past years' FRC games and says the same thing. But all that does is make things confusing for anybody insisting that there's a connection, because they can't show any connection.

I'd also like to point out that the very first FTC game--back when it was FVC--was an exact copy of the previous years' FRC game, played at about 1/3 scale. Just to confuse you even further, a year or so later, elements of the 2004 game appeared in another FVC game...And then the scale of the large ball on the field appeared in the 2008 FRC game.

How do I know this? I don't, but the timing suggests (to me) more than coincidence. I was also trying to imply what dcarr suggested, that this would promote FTC-FRC collaboration (although less explicitly than they tried with the minibots).

Interesting, I hadn't heard this very early FTC (or FVC) information. Still, this all suggests that there is some connection between FTC and FRC, which may turn into what I suggested in my previous post. That there exists any connection is good enough for me. At least in my mind, guesses based on the FTC game are far better than the guesses based on the hints. But what the hey, it's all speculation anyway!

[ChrisH]

The GDCs for FTC and FRC are completely independent as indicated by now former members of both who were active on this forum while they are were members. That doesn't mean they did not iteract at all, but that was certainly my impression.

[Brandon Zalinsky]

Originally Posted by DRH2o

End Game -- we will be interfacing with the field to raise or lower something.
Just a Curiosity

http://www.andymark.com/FIRST-Choice-p/fc13-037.htm

http://www.andymark.com/FIRST-Choice-p/fc13-082.htm

What you did there... I see it.

[Bill_B]

Originally Posted by dcarr

That's a really interesting theory. In terms of actual collaboration, so far I don't think we've seen any great implementations of FRC-FTC collaboration - the minibots were "supposed" to promote this, but we all know that the best minibots were super-minimalistic and didn't draw much on FTC.

Minimalistic because GDC/FIRST wimped out on requiring that they be constructed by an FTC team. I guess they didn't want to field all the whining about how few FTC teams there were and how "unfair" such a requirement would have been. Instead a whole bunch of innocent motors got smoked and corners got trimmed to make the races to the top of those poles ultimately less than suspenseful.

[dcarr]

Originally Posted by Bill_B

Minimalistic because GDC/FIRST wimped out on requiring that they be constructed by an FTC team. I guess they didn't want to field all the whining about how few FTC teams there were and how "unfair" such a requirement would have been. Instead a whole bunch of innocent motors got smoked and corners got trimmed to make the races to the top of those poles ultimately less than suspenseful.

Agreed. Although I'm not sure it was a bad thing overall - it was plenty suspenseful, and seeing the well-designed deployment systems and ultralight minibots zip to the top was pretty fun! I have to say ours was very "FTC like" in construction but ultimately took far longer than others to reach the top.

Also, aren't there more FTC teams than FRC teams? (at least the numbers go higher).

[dellagd]

Originally Posted by DampRobot

Why do I believe that it will be a lifting style endgame? Because it appears as if the GDC uses the FTC endgame to test out FRC endgames (probbably in order to promote collablration between FTC and FRC teams). Take last year for example: we saw ramps being balanced. Saw that in the 2011 FTC endgame. The lifting the crates for bonus points was a huge crowd pleaser in 2012 FTC, and the GDC has done similar things for FRC the past. I'm guessing a return of the 2007 style lifting of other robots.

Fow what its worth, I drew the same conclusion from the semi-hint of Rick Astley

To Quote Myself:

Now this sounds likely. What was the game where robots had to climb on top of eachother?

EDIT: The game I found was rack n roll. Possibly combining with the fact that "rack n roll" is similar to "rick roll".

Were going to have the rack n roll end game?

[Orbit1690]

Originally Posted by DRH2o

End Game -- we will be interfacing with the field to raise or lower something.
Just a Curiosity

http://www.andymark.com/FIRST-Choice-p/fc13-037.htm

http://www.andymark.com/FIRST-Choice-p/fc13-082.htm

You're a genius. O.O

[Ekcrbe]

Originally Posted by Siri

You won't actually get the game

Oh really?

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...15&postcount=1

One Greg Needel did it back on the 2007 game, based off the official hint.

[Andrew Schreiber]

Originally Posted by Bill_B

Minimalistic because GDC/FIRST wimped out on requiring that they be constructed by an FTC team. I guess they didn't want to field all the whining about how few FTC teams there were and how "unfair" such a requirement would have been. Instead a whole bunch of innocent motors got smoked and corners got trimmed to make the races to the top of those poles ultimately less than suspenseful.

Yup, let's add to all the other BS that comes into play in FRC by limiting a team's ability to complete a major game challenge based on their vicinity to an FTC team. Brilliant idea.

[Littleboy]

There is approximatelly a .01% chance that you will solve a hint.

[ttldomination]

Originally Posted by Littleboy

There is approximatelly a .01% chance that you will solve a hint.

This number, where did you get it?

- Sunny G.

[Chris is me]

Originally Posted by Bill_B

Minimalistic because GDC/FIRST wimped out on requiring that they be constructed by an FTC team.

How could they have possibly enforced a requirement like this? Never mind that half of FRC teams aren't even near an FTC team - how could FIRST enforce that the only people that worked on a minibot were FTC teams? If it broke at a regional, would the FRC team be required to not fix it until their FTC team showed up? Wouldn't a team with one of each just add all of their FRC members to their FTC team to let them build it?