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Re: Attaching Cables to FRC Batteries

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...because the terminal on the battery and the cable terminal wear against each other and the hardware.
I'm not sure that I quite believe that, Al. In a properly tightened joint, there shouldn't be any appreciable abrasive wear, because the faying surfaces of the terminals aren't ever moving with respect to one another.

(People who pick batteries up by their leads may cause my assumption to be violated, however.)
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This is not the only effect as constant tightening of the hardware cause the terminals to deform making the conditions worse.
Do you mean that someone is repeatedly retightening the bolt? (If so, my concern above stands. If it's not moving, there's no need to tighten it. If it is moving, it wasn't tight enough.)

If nobody is adjusting the connection, I could still see this being a problem with heavily preloaded joints in materials that exhibit lots of creep—eventually they'll plastically deform to reach an equilibrium between the preload stress and the elastic limit stress. But with the materials we're dealing with, at the temperatures we're operating at, for the lifespan of the part, it shouldn't be a factor.

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Many will ask about the star washer adding some resistance and this is true.
There's still a flat terminal-to-terminal contact surface, right? (To get a good connection, presumably the washer goes under the nut or the bolt head, not between the terminals.)
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Re: Attaching Cables to FRC Batteries

Tristan,
The material used for the battery terminal is plastic as it is a very soft material being mostly lead. As such, the tightening of small hardware cause it to not only stretch and creep but also to "dish" in the process. As this occurs, the hardware does become loose requiring teams to tighten as needed. Any movement between terminals cause the wear I described above, again requiring adjustment of the hardware. Any rotational movement between the two terminals also causes the hardware to loosen. The addition of a star washer between the terminal surfaces prevents any movement between the terminals and therefore prevents both the wear and the loose hardware. While small changes in the deformity of the parts still occurs, the spring tension of the star washer facets keeps everything tight. By the time, the spring of the star washers can no longer hold the parts in alignment, the battery should have reached it's end of life (about 4 years maximum for most batteries.)
To restate, without the lock washer, the terminals will move, there is nothing to prevent it.
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