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2012 MAR Teams = 99 or 4% (99/2339)
2012 MAR Teams sent form their Regional CMP = 12 or 3% (12/400) 2012 MI Team = 190 or 8% (190/2339) 2012 MAR Teams sent form MSC = 18 or 4.5% (18/400) Like Scottandme said most of the additional MI teams either paid their way and didn't make it via the District model. Michigan should be sending 36 teams to the Championship via MSC. Also remember that Michigan is going on its 5th year of the district model and we still send the same number of teams (18) in 2012 that we did back in 2009. That's why we do the math!? -Clinton- |
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Also looking at robot performance, MI and MAR were well represented in the elimination rounds in 2012. 96 teams were chosen for eliminations, or 24% of teams at CMP. A quick check indicates that 23 of those teams were from Michigan and 8 were from MAR.
The math shakes out to show that 63.8% of Michigan teams at CMP were selected for eliminations, and 30.7% of teams from MAR at CMP were selected for eliminations, ahead of the expected value of 24%. As a part of the entire CMP event: Michigan made up 9.0% of the teams attending, but 24.0% of elimination teams were from Michigan. MAR represented 6.5% of the total teams at CMP, and represented 8.3% of the elimination teams. As a share of the entire region: 12.1% of all Michigan teams (190) made it the CMP eliminations, and 8.1% of all MAR teams (99) made it to the CMP eliminations. The average for every FIRST team is 4.1% (96 of 2339 teams). |
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We were one of the (18?) teams that attended 5 events last year, and it was draining. Two MAR districts, Montreal, MAR CMP, and World CMP. That was $18,000 in registration alone. Thanks to our hard work, excellent sponsors, and school district we were able to manage that, but we're not the norm in that regard. We could have skipped MAR CMP since we won at Montreal, but had we not been lucky in that regard it's a mandatory 4 events before you can qualify for CMP. You can also be an excellent team and not manage to get lucky enough to win a regional. Look at 118 this year, they had to win their 3rd and final regional to get a bid for CMP, and they were easily one of the top 10 robots in FIRST. The easy solution is to adjust the number of bids to be proportional to the number to teams as a region grows. Michigan and MAR are the guinea pigs here, and it's tricky since everyone else is still in the regional system. I think the intent was to keep the same number of slots as there were in the regional system, so MAR got 12 as Philadelphia and NJ were dropped in the transition to MAR. MAR grew by 10 teams this year (99 to 109), so we now have 1 CMP slot for every ~9.1 teams. Michigan has 1 CMP slot for every ~11.4 teams (18 for 206 teams). It's not a direct comparison, but California is close to Michigan in size (216 teams), and has 6 Regional events. No idea about waitlists, but right now those 6 events have 320 teams registered, or 1 slot for every 8.9 teams competing (53 team/event average). Competing in Michigan is roughly equivalent to attending a 68 team regional, with teams that are significantly better than average. |
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I found out that Susan, RD for Ohio, has authorized the clearing of QCR's waitlist but it isn't expected to happen until the end of the week. Not sure why it takes so long. I suppose they are contacting each team and asking them if they want in, and then waiting for a reply.
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I expect this answer might be similar for most events. |
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In my opinion, Michigan has a pretty good point. It would be fair to increase the number of qualifying teams from that region. |
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Furthermore, it takes FIM/MAR teams a minimum of 3 events (2 districts + Region CMP, though one could technically opt to skip one district) to qualify for the World Championship. That's 3 weeks out of 7 that are not available to attend an outside competition, and if you want to minimize the number of back to back competitions, it REALLY limits your options. Add to that the fact that because of the district system, you need to travel a potentially long ways to find another Regional. |
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Michigan should get more CMP slots, but it shouldn't be done strictly by percentage of Michigan teams in FRC = percentage of Michigan teams at CMP, simply because that's not how it's done anywhere else. 6 teams qualify at a regional regardless of the size of the regional. I would think a fair way to do it(for Michigan and MAR) would be to come up with a number of teams for an "average regional", and base the numbers on that. For example, if we say the average regional has 50 teams and Michigan has 216 teams, 216/50 = about 4 average regionals, 6x4=24 slots.
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FiM and MAR only get 2x the chances IF they go out of state.
Last year only 4.7% (Total of 9) of Michigan teams went out of state. Only one of those teams (27) won an award (they won EI) that got them to the Championship without the need to go to MSC. However, RUSH also won the MSC Chairman's award that also guaranteed them a spot for Champs. If non-FiM teams go to the same number of events as a FiM team that goes to 2 districts and MSC. Those teams technically get 3x the chances to make it to the Champs. Not to mention the level of competition at a regional vs MSC. -Clinton- |
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What hasn't been addressed with the district system yet is how that increases with team growth. Michigan has many more teams now than when they started, and had they still been in a regional setup, they probably would have added at least one, maybe two more regionals by now, because the team base has grown and can support it. Right now they're still stuck with the same 3-regional equivalent. Fast growing regions like Texas, California and Washington have all expanded their events: Texas: 2009 - 2 events, 2013 - 3 events California: 2009 - 4 events, 2013 - 6 events Washington: 2009 - 1 event, 2013 - 3 events This means that those states/regions are qualifying more teams through regionals than they were several years ago, proportional to the team growth in the state. Michigan is not, because they have been fixed at 18 slots since 2009, regardless of the team growth and increase in the number of districts in the state. |
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Some might argue that MAR teams get an additional (third) chance since the MAR Regional took 12 spots from the combined NJ and Philly Regionals, but one must remember that they are competing there against TWICE the usual amount of teams, and also that the qualifying spots are distributed differently. Three winners, two Chairmans, but only 1 EI, 1 R.A.S., and then the 5 next highest ranked teams. Last edited by Hallry : 12-12-2012 at 13:59. |
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Um, no. This is a false statement.
What did you use as the basis for this? I imagine as District systems become more prevalent, the system must eventually be based on percentage of overall FRC team population. To give one area more slots, means that some other area must lose slots. Regionals as an entity unto themselves would need adjustment to qualify fewer teams. You can't just think to add slots-poor economics. Last edited by Mark McLeod : 12-12-2012 at 14:10. |
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Speaking of that, Mark, do you have any updated info of what percentage of teams are going to each number of competitions (1 event, 2 events, etc.)? Specifically, teams not in district models? I know the percentage of MAR teams attending outside regionals is 10.9%, and I don't believe any are signed up for more than 2 districts. But just me thinking (specifically about MAR): *MAR teams have two sets of regional spots to qualify for Champs, but they are distributed differently. Also, there is about twice the teams competing for them. And, as has happened in FiM, as time goes on, there will be more teams competing for the same limited number of spots. *Yes, MAR teams have the chance to go out of chance to an outside regional to increase their chances. But, don't all teams have the ability to attend more competitions (of course budget ranges in all teams)? Last edited by Hallry : 12-12-2012 at 14:30. |
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