2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!

[jason701802]

If the longest frame member is 30", the chassis would be 32" long with the front and rear cross bars. Keeping the length-width ratio the same, this would make the width 23.58", so the max dimensions are more likely to be 32"x24"x50".

[LaurenMary]

This might be a wild tangent but I went on the assumptino that each pair of numbers represented a character. Also the pairs of numbers all appeared in the number pi. I went through pi and starting with three assigned pairs of numbers to a letter, in alphabetical order
31 A
41 B
59 C
26 D
53 E
58 F
97 G
93 H
23 I
84 J
62 K
64 L
33 M
83 N
27 O
95 P
02 Q
88 R
41 S
97 T
16 U
93 V
99 W
37 X
51 Y

There are several repeats but I figured this was a good place to start. If you go through and substitute the numbers for letters, and in the few instances where there are doubles pick the most logical letter you get the result:

A ROSE, KISSED

SINGER GREAT

A DINNER, MISSED

HOLDING WEIGHT

Has anyone else found this?

[cadandcookies]

I think someone else posted the wheels from AndyMark, and there was someone mentioning all the threes and relating it to Lunacy. Maybe it's the exact opposite of Lunacy, and instead of a simulated low-gravity environment, it's a simulated high-gravity environment? I doubt that really has anything to do with it, but a high-gravity game would be interesting.

Regarding smaller frames, I'm game (I just wish we hadn't just built a new cart designed for a "regular" robot). I would hope they would go back to those "regular" dimensions later, though. People like to watch larger robots, and sponsors like larger robots.

[karomata]

While everyone has been discussing who wasn't at the GDC meeting, and how 31 inch robot criteria can change the game... I did some more thinking. So just to recap:

This is the hint:

31 88274153, 622341415326

412383975388 9788533197

31 262383835388, 332341415326

93276426238397 995323979397

Which somebody was able to turn into this:

A ROSE, KISSED
SINGER GREAT
A DINNER, MISSED
HOLDING WEIGHT

Now, from that we have been able to deduce that the first 2 lines refer to a song by Seal, and so while thinking about that, I thought about the different plays on words with seal. I kept going through words like seal-ed, seal-proof, seal-ling. Then using ceiling, I looked back at the riddle, and created such idea:

Similar to 2004, FIRST Frenzy, game pieces will be stationed above the field, although in this game, it is a large platform that is stationary and above the robots on the field, similar to a large table, where most people associate eating dinner with. So, with that, and looking at the riddle, to explain the lyrics of:

A DINNER, MISSED
HOLDING WEIGHT

So in the first line, if you miss a dinner, you are standing some one up, which we can interpret as describing how robots will have to stand up to reach the game pieces. And to confirm that game pieces would be elevated, we look at the last line: holding weight. This "weight" would be the game pieces. The game pieces may actually be weighted for more of a challenge, or they are just calling it weight to be more vague about it. This theory is very plausible, seeing as many of these ideas have been replicated in past years. The only missing component is that we are unsure of how to score, if the game pieces start on the elevated platform, I'm assuming for complexity, the scoring on a lower level, so that we don't end up with a ton of just really tall robots.

I am pretty sure that the Rick Astley picture was a hint, but I could be wrong. There are 2 previous hints that have yet to be defined, because Frank said so himself in the most recent post on the blog. That is why I believe the Rick Astley picture in legit, and I believe that the meaning of that hint is that matches will be 3 minutes long to allow for more complex and developed strategies, why also increasing the need for strategic play due to a lacking number of matches.

As for the 3rd hint: I have absolutely no idea. Although I feel that I can safely shoot down a few theories of what the 3rd clue would pertain to:
-Number of alliances: I am fairly certain they will not add a 3rd alliance. It would make coopertition so much more complicated, and matches would quickly turn from X vs. Y vs. Z to X+Y vs. Z when alliance Z is given a powerhouse team. Not even to mention the fact that the GDC would have to redesign the shape of the field. That would mean that FIRST would have to create new FIRST fields and NASA would have to do the same with their fields, the there are all those teams out there with warehouses where they have a field set up for year around, they would have to now restructure the entire field.
-Water Game: Yes, congratulations, you have successfully found a relation between water and the most ridiculous things on the internet. You should win the Nobel Peace Prize. We can relate anything back to water, and by anything, I literally mean ANYTHING. Surfing around on Chief Delphi has proven that to me. I honestly believe that FIRST is closer to developing a flying game than a water game, based on the CARD demonstration at Championships in 2011.

I'd keep going but I think I have gotten the point across. What do you guys think?

[MetalJacket]

OK, I have no idea what this means, but I re wrote the set of numbers, once excluding the threes, and once exculding the ones and twos (since the apparently skipped hints one and two). I then put each of those sets of numbers into a decimal to ASCII translator. The set without threes contained a japanese character which google said meant "bullhead," and a chinese character meaning "loach" (both types of fish, water game, right ). The set without ones and twos contained a chinese character for "An" followed by a korean character for "cone." Again, not quite sure what this means, it just seemed interesting.

[LaurenMary]

I dont think anyone explained yet how they found:

A ROSE, KISSED
SINGER GREAT
A DINNER, MISSED
HOLDING WEIGHT

I was able to find this too ( i actually thought I was crazy because it made no sense to me) by using this:

31 = A
41 = B
59 = C
26 = D
53 = E
58 = F
97 = G
93 = H
23 = I
84 = J
62 = K
64 = L
33 = M
83 = N
27 = O
95 = P
02 = Q
88 = R
41 = S
97 = T
16 = U
93 = V
99 = W
37 = X
51 = Y
05 = Z

These are the first 52 digits of pi. I assumed that a pair of numbers represented a character and then went through in order and coupled each pair of numbers with a letter.

[dellagd]

I think im leaning towards more of Rick Astly being less and less of a hint.

It did just say a picture from the GDC lab, and maybe someone there wanted to be funny and posted a picture of "Never gonna give you up" on the board because it had the lyrics "Never gonna let you down" in it, just like the end game of lifting your teammates off the ground I think will happen this year.

Its very possible that there just happened to be 2 red one blue and one yellow pushpin available for use when whoever posted the photo on the board.

Also, the fact that this rhymes (And with the correct syllable counts) makes me think it is the correct decryption even more:

A ROSE, KISSED
SINGER GREAT
A DINNER, MISSED
HOLDING WEIGHT

[pandamonium]

Ceiling = seal ing I think that this would be clue worthy

[CLandrum3081]

All I can say is that you guys are way better at this than I am. For some reason, I tried to convert the number pairs to binary and hexadecimal. I need to get better at this

[Hallry]

As stated before:

Originally Posted by sebflippers

From FRC blog comment section:

Frank also commented that:

Where are the other hints???
Submitted by Erick on Fri, 12/21/2012 - 15:13.
I agree with jordan, this is the first hint I see on this site and yet it's labeled #3, where are the first 2?

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Other Hints?
Submitted by Frank Merrick on Fri, 12/21/2012 - 16:06.
The '#3' is just a label. You shouldn't assume that there were other hints. But you shouldn't assume there weren't either. In your shoes, I would make no assumptions.

So...does the 3 not mean that it is the third hint?

[gyroscopeRaptor]

The first two lines of Kiss From A Rose by Seal:
There used to be a graying tower alone on the sea.
You became the light on the dark side of me.

There will be a neutral structure in the center of the field. I would like to guess that the endgame will be like 2004 where only a few robots can get it and there would be intense competition to get it and also deny the other alliance from having it.

From the pushpins, if they are legit: there will be two like structures on the other side, one for each alliance, but nowhere near as important.

My friend is thinking the game could be like 1994's Tower Power with a central tower that can be scored on.

And honestly, I have no idea how I cracked the riddle. I just thought Pi when i saw the strings of numbers, and then I thought pairs of digits would easily encrypt letters. A bit later, with a few substitutions needed, and here we go.

Does the fact that Pi was part of the cipher become a hint in itself?

[Hallry]

Originally Posted by gyroscopeRaptor

Does the fact that Pi was part of the cipher become a hint in itself?

We seem to all be making hints out of things that are not. If it something was a hint, it would have been a hint.

[wilhitern1]

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Let's go people! Figure it out![/QUOTE]

The thing that gets me is the use of crypto in the hint. If you want to go back to the Astly pic, and Rick Roled, Isn't that another way of indicating hiding things? Might the game then involve hiding things?

Anyone for a game of robot hide and seek?

Neal

[dellagd]

A hint that must be decoded means that the game would involve having to find things? I think thats a little to far deep...

[Gregor]

Originally Posted by F22Rapture

Veteran FRC teams won't be getting another one -- they got one in the 2012 KoP.

Please cite your source on this.