2013 ACTUAL game hint!!!

[skimoose]

Originally Posted by Shifter

A rose, kissed = Seal

Singer great = Seal

I think the second line may have been missed by all. If the clue is referring to the singer Seal, then a "Singer great" may be a reference to the "Great Seal" of which, there are two for the United States.



This is referred to as the Second Great Seal of the United States found on the one dollar bill. It clearly shows the pyramid: are we back to tetra shapes? The latin phrase is generally translated as the "new order of the world" which could be viewed as Dean's attempt to change society, or may be referring to a major change in FIRST's FRC game. The latter could be confirmation that robot dimensions are in fact changing. A smaller robot foot print would allow for more robots on the field. Many have pointed out that three alliances is not practical, but what if FIRST is making another leap forward and we are going to 4 vs. 4? Last year's asymmetrical driver's stations had one station smaller than the other two. Was this a test to see what impact it would have on teams? Few, if any teams complained about the reduced space for the drive team. So First could conceivably fit four driver stations in the end zone. I'm not sure what that would do to the Human Player position.

The increased robots per matched has been tied to longer game times as well. Could increasing the match to 3:00 minutes be one of the changes recommended by the Einstein report? If a robot or radio were to disconnect from the field, a longer match would possibly allow that machine to reconnect before the match ended thus reducing the impact of a dead robot. Also with four robots per alliance, one dead robot still leaves an alliance functioning at 75% capacity as opposed to 66% capacity for a three robot alliance.

Also, the pyramid is topped by the all seeing eye. Is camera vision playing a major part in this year's game?

Then there is the Great Seal of the United States:



Start with the latin phrase "e pluribus unum" which translates to "out of many, one", many robots one alliance.

Next is the radiant disk above the American bald eagle’s head the stars of the original 13 states are composed to form a Solomon’s Seal symbolic of the union of soul and body, spirit and matter, or the combination of the alchemical signs for fire and water. Each of the interlaced equilateral triangles, one upward turned, the other downward, is a Pythagorean Tetractys, or ‘perfect triangle of fourness,’ of nine points, four to a side, enclosing a tenth representing the generative center. The alchemical meaning is representative of the combination of opposites and transmutation. Which could be point to a change in robot dimensions again. The tetractys also is a figure composed of ten points in four rows:

The Tetractys represented the organization of space:

the first row represented zero-dimensions (a point)
the second row represented one-dimension (a line of two points)
the third row represented two-dimensions (a plane defined by a triangle of three points)
the fourth row represented three-dimensions (a tetrahedron defined by four points)

So a tetrahedron game piece is a possibility.

Lastly, the pyramid also symbolizes a triangle or delta, which is the mathematical symbol for change.

Anyone else want to go down the Great Seal road?

[mrmummert]

We'll i don't know about you all...but i'll wait for the fourth hint that comes out January 5th before i speculate on this.

[rhinobot]

In my opinion the first hint said it all. We are all being rick rolled by the FRC community and best bet is to wait until the 5th.

[|DELTA|]

Originally Posted by mrmummert

We'll i don't know about you all...but i'll wait for the fourth hint that comes out January 5th before i speculate on this.

HAHA! I second this motion!

[Robo Hamsters]

Originally Posted by skimoose

Also, the pyramid is topped by the all seeing eye. Is camera vision playing a major part in this year's game?

This is very possible. When I asked RoboRealm for a copy for us to use to test the Kinect's IR vision capabilities, they gave me some interesting feedback.

RoboRealm is in the KOP for this years competition! Since you will
already have the link you can ignore the card coupon that will be in
your 'kit of parts'.

I do recommend that you have a look at the new Network Tables module
that allows for much easier communication to the CRio. Its the same
technology that SmartDashboard uses to communicate back to the driver
station. You will need Network Tables 2.0 (an upgrade from last year)
running on the CRio in order for that to work.

Look out for new tutorials specific to the 2013 just after kickoff.
There will be another new module launched to make your life easier for
the competition.

[ratdude747]

Originally Posted by skimoose

I think the second line may have been missed by all. If the clue is referring to the singer Seal, then a "Singer great" may be a reference to the "Great Seal" of which, there are two for the United States.



This is referred to as the Second Great Seal of the United States found on the one dollar bill. It clearly shows the pyramid: are we back to tetra shapes? The latin phrase is generally translated as the "new order of the world" which could be viewed as Dean's attempt to change society, or may be referring to a major change in FIRST's FRC game. The latter could be confirmation that robot dimensions are in fact changing. A smaller robot foot print would allow for more robots on the field. Many have pointed out that three alliances is not practical, but what if FIRST is making another leap forward and we are going to 4 vs. 4? Last year's asymmetrical driver's stations had one station smaller than the other two. Was this a test to see what impact it would have on teams? Few, if any teams complained about the reduced space for the drive team. So First could conceivably fit four driver stations in the end zone. I'm not sure what that would do to the Human Player position.

The increased robots per matched has been tied to longer game times as well. Could increasing the match to 3:00 minutes be one of the changes recommended by the Einstein report? If a robot or radio were to disconnect from the field, a longer match would possibly allow that machine to reconnect before the match ended thus reducing the impact of a dead robot. Also with four robots per alliance, one dead robot still leaves an alliance functioning at 75% capacity as opposed to 66% capacity for a three robot alliance.

Also, the pyramid is topped by the all seeing eye. Is camera vision playing a major part in this year's game?

Nicely predicted.

[Sam390250]

Anyone think they figured out what the hint completely meant? I am still confused...

[AlexJamesCross]

Originally Posted by Sam390250

Anyone think they figured out what the hint completely meant? I am still confused...

Ive figured most of it out
A rose,Kissed- I have no Idea
A singer Great- This was a mistake and should be A sinster tree, sinster being a metal steel like alloy
A dinner missed-when you turn the Frisbee upside down it looks like a empty dinner plate as in you never showed up(or MISSED) to dinner
Holding weigh- Could either be a reference to the fact weight is now used to figure the score or the fact that you need to hold yourself up.

As for Astley I have no Idea either
Team 369 is very excited

[Blueamber10210]

Originally Posted by AlexJamesCross

Ive figured most of it out
A rose,Kissed- I have no Idea
A singer Great- This was a mistake and should be A sinster tree, sinster being a metal steel like alloy
A dinner missed-when you turn the Frisbee upside down it looks like a empty dinner plate as in you never showed up(or MISSED) to dinner
Holding weigh- Could either be a reference to the fact weight is now used to figure the score or the fact that you need to hold yourself up.

As for Astley I have no Idea either
Team 369 is very excited

Never gonna give you up- probably refering to the fact that after the game pieces are scored they don't get put back into play.

[AlexJamesCross]

Originally Posted by Blueamber10210

Never gonna give you up- probably refering to the fact that after the game pieces are scored they don't get put back into play.

You are a genius, I would have made that connection. Any guess on A rose, Kissed

[ratdude747]

Here's my interpretation:

Pi: Round Frisbee.

A rose kissed / singer great:The first part and the first half the second refer to the song, performed by Seal. The second half of the second part (great) combines with the first to make "great seal", aka one of the Great seals of the USA, which has a pyramid on it.

A dinner missed: The fact a Frisbee also works as a makeshift plate.

Holding weight: Hanging/climbing off the pyramind.

[Suitster]

Something possible:

In the Rick Astley hint

It wasn't a pushpin
It was a frisbee

[protoserge]

If you converted the entire hint into ASCII and then converted relevant stuff from Chinese to English, you ended up with a Pyramid character, "House of Dun" and something related to pigeons/birds (Clay pigeons? Frisbees?). This might have been partially explored on page 2.

I'm certainly looking forward to everyone's creative ideas this year!