Frisbees for Ultimate Ascent

[Dan Richardson]

Originally Posted by Cory

As a warning, the Wham-o Frisbees found at Sports Authority measure out as correct, but are NOT the same as the game Frisbees.

What is the most significant differences. The ones we purchased for Robot in 3 Days are 175g which was the only difference based on pure description? FIRST lists them as +/- 5g so it's in spec.

Dan

[Cory]

Originally Posted by Dan Richardson

What is the most significant differences. The ones we purchased for Robot in 3 Days are 175g which was the only difference based on pure description? FIRST lists them as +/- 5g so it's in spec.

Dan

We thought the same thing, but they are completely different. When you compare them to the KOP game pieces, the Sport Authority ones can partially nest inside the game pieces and for lack of a better word are "cupped" more.

I am guessing that the FIRST Frisbee is a custom part.

[JesseK]

Originally Posted by Cory

I am guessing that the FIRST Frisbee is a custom part.

I went out to my car to get my regulation disc ($3.50 per disc in bulk...) only to come back in, read the rules and

Of course we're forced into buying non-standard crap again.

[jayjaywalker3]

Originally Posted by JesseK

I went out to my car to get my regulation disc ($3.50 per disc in bulk...) only to come back in, read the rules and

Of course we're forced into buying non-standard crap again.

As an ultimate frisbee player I could cry over this point. This could be such a beautiful way for ultimate frisbee (a sport I love with it's own version of Gracious Professionalism as a foundation) to spread across the country. This will still help growth immensely but the fact that they use this disc instead of the regulation disc that would actually be cheaper and better is heartbreaking.

[ehfeinberg]

Guys, take it from an Ultimate player, all discs are different. Even if they are both Whammo Frisbees, most likely they are not the same.

Whammo produces many different types of Frisbees which all have different weights, sizes, and shapes. Often, the most obvious thing that is different between discs is the shape of the rim. The angle between the rim and the bottom of the disc is different in almost every different type of disc. Also, I noticed that these discs are much rounder than a regulation disc (The top is round compared to a regulation disc's top being flat).

Also the weight of the game discs are 180 grams, where as regulation discs are only supposed to be 175 grams. While this 5 gram difference in weight does not seem like much, I can easily feel and see a difference in how the discs fly. A heavier disc takes more angular momentum to spin at the same speed and it also flies farther.

It's a shame that FRC choose Whammo discs as the game pieces. It would have been one thing for them to use regulation Whammo discs, but these discs are just useless for everything but Ultimate Assault.

When a Ultimate player holds a Whammo in his hands, he just wants to chuck it at something and break the disc. We hate Whammos.

[Jay O'Donnell]

Originally Posted by ehfeinberg

It's a shame that FRC choose Whammo discs as the game pieces. It would have been one thing for them to use regulation Whammo discs, but these discs are just useless for everything but Ultimate Assault

That's like saying basketball players last year thought the balls last year were useless. FIRST isn't trying to match Ultimate Frisbee completely, just use it as a theme. Also, if exact regulation Frisbees were used, sone Human Players would be insanely good at scoring(they still will be). I do agree with you that the small weight difference is something ultimate players will have to get used to, but that's part of the game.

[scaryone]

Originally Posted by Jay Money 1058

That's like saying basketball players last year thought the balls last year were useless. FIRST isn't trying to match Ultimate Frisbee completely, just use it as a theme. Also, if exact regulation Frisbees were used, sone Human Players would be insanely good at scoring(they still will be). I do agree with you that the small weight difference is something ultimate players will have to get used to, but that's part of the game.

It's not just the weight. The rim is dramatically different. However, since the barrier is so high, flicking or backhand throws are unlikely. I only see hammers as a reliable throw. Maybe overhead flick.

[malay_shashank]

Originally Posted by Dan Richardson

What is the most significant differences. The ones we purchased for Robot in 3 Days are 175g which was the only difference based on pure description? FIRST lists them as +/- 5g so it's in spec.

Dan

The FIRST Frisbee is 180 +/- 5g, but regulation frisbees (175g) are usually +/- 2g, so that's more variation than is specified in the rules. My recommendation would be to buy game-specific discs.

Thank you all for the very helpful responses! That's one small crisis averted very quickly

[Dan Richardson]

Originally Posted by malay_shashank

The FIRST Frisbee is 180 +/- 5g, but regulation frisbees (175g) are usually +/- 2g, so that's more variation than is specified in the rules. My recommendation would be to buy game-specific discs.

Thank you all for the very helpful responses! That's one small crisis averted very quickly

Thanks, the problem for us is that we are building a robot in 3 days as part of a challenge. Discs won't get here in time...

Time to resort to plan b and find a team nearby... :-)

[protoserge]

Originally Posted by malay_shashank

The FIRST Frisbee is 180 +/- 5g, but regulation frisbees (175g) are usually +/- 2g, so that's more variation than is specified in the rules. My recommendation would be to buy game-specific discs.

Thank you all for the very helpful responses! That's one small crisis averted very quickly

All of our KoP Frisbees weighed in at 175g +/-3g, but that could be a scale issue. Go by part number if possible with the FRC game, and get the frisbees that will actually be played with.

[Michael Hill]

WHY CAN'T FIRST USE PRODUCTS IN STOCK IN RETAIL STORES NATIONWIDE?

I've never understood this.

[protoserge]

Most likely, it allows FIRST to keep tabs on supply, and provide enough quantity to teams through direct-ordering versus having thousands of retail and independent stores trying to restock their shelves as fast as they are disappearing.