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Post Question about the rules for Ultimate Ascent

I have read all the rules and I have a question that hopefully someone here can clarify...

Is it legal to pick up your opponent's colored disc and score it in your own goal (non-pyramid)?
(It doesn't say you can't do that)

and could this possibly be a good strategy for defending bots?

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Re: Question about the rules for Ultimate Ascent

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I have read all the rules and I have a question that hopefully someone here can clarify...

Is it legal to pick up your opponent's colored disc and score it in your own goal?
(It doesn't say you can't do that)

and could this possibly be a good strategy for defending bots?
There's nothing against it.

Is it a decent strategy? Maybe.
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Re: Question about the rules for Ultimate Ascent

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There's nothing against it.

Is it a decent strategy? Maybe.
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Re: Question about the rules for Ultimate Ascent

Score them in your own goal all you want, but they're not worth jack.
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3.2.4.1 DISC Points
... Additionally, for a DISC to be considered SCORED in an ALLIANCE"S PYRAMID GOAL, it must correspond to the PYRAMID color.
If you score a RED DISC in a BLUE PYRAMID, it's not worth anything (Though you could argue it's worth 5pts that you denied.)
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Re: Question about the rules for Ultimate Ascent

they'd still count in the one two and three point goals, so essentially you're scoring up to eight points per disc. Because if you made it in the three, and denied them five points.
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Re: Question about the rules for Ultimate Ascent

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Score them in your own goal all you want, but they're not worth jack.

If you score a RED DISC in a BLUE PYRAMID, it's not worth anything (Though you could argue it's worth 5pts that you denied.)
What I meant was take an opposing team's colored disc and score it in your high, low, or middle goal... I think that makes the colored disc count as a white disc that anyone can use unless I interpreted the rules wrong :/
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Re: Question about the rules for Ultimate Ascent

At the end of the game when the human players can start throwing the discs into the field, do they have to throw over the wall? Or can they throw around the wall?
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Re: Question about the rules for Ultimate Ascent

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At the end of the game when the human players can start throwing the discs into the field, do they have to throw over the wall? Or can they throw around the wall?
It doesn't specify whether or not you can throw around the wall BUT if it isn't specified in the rules that means that you are able to do that.

Also stay tuned to http://www.usfirst.org/ in case FIRST updates the rules because they might clarify that pretty soon
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At the end of the game when the human players can start throwing the discs into the field, do they have to throw over the wall? Or can they throw around the wall?
Something to ask the GDC later, but remember that the netting, which is "made up of three panels that are 10 ft. tall and 14 ft. long", will be there to block throws around the side.
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Re: Question about the rules for Ultimate Ascent

G17 From looking at the field layout there is no disc return during game play, so I see where you guys are going with this. But per Cal trans Question you are violating G17 and this is a foul.
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Re: Question about the rules for Ultimate Ascent

Ok, but this isn't asking about putting discs in the opponent's pyramid goal. The question is if the opponent tried to put discs in their pyramid goal and missed so the frisbees are on the floor, could you pick those frisbees up and toss them in your own high/mid/low goals for points?
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Re: Question about the rules for Ultimate Ascent

There's nothing in the rules to limit what you do with your opponent's color of discs. They won't count in your pyramid goal, but they should count in one of your other goals - barring a different interpretation from Q&A.

Regarding throwing in the discs, look at the rule again:

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DISCS may be fed onto the FIELD only under the following circumstances:
A. during TELEOP through the FEEDER SLOTS and
B. during the last thirty (30) seconds of TELEOP over the FEEDER STATIONS.
See that word "only" there? Round the wall is not over the wall, so it would not be permitted.
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Re: Question about the rules for Ultimate Ascent

Per the definition of SCORED:
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SCORED: A DISC is considered SCORED in an ALLIANCE’S GOAL if any part of the DISC has crossed through the opening of the GOAL, is in the GOAL at the end of the MATCH, and the DISC is not in contact with any ROBOT from that ALLIANCE. Additionally, for a DISC to be considered SCORED in an ALLIANCE’S PYRAMID GOAL, it must correspond to the PYRAMID color.
Since disc colour only must correspond to the pyramid, I think it would be safe to assume that you can score the other alliance's coloured discs in your own non-pyramid goal.
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Ok, but this isn't asking about putting discs in the opponent's pyramid goal. The question is if the opponent tried to put discs in their pyramid goal and missed so the frisbees are on the floor, could you pick those frisbees up and toss them in your own high/mid/low goals for points?
In short: yes.
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At the end of the game when the human players can start throwing the discs into the field, do they have to throw over the wall? Or can they throw around the wall?
You MUST throw OVER the wall. We had one of the Michigan FRC advisers elaborate. You are not allowed to throw discs to the side of the walls.
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