Robot climbing times

[Mr. Lim]

Our current textbook strategy allocates ~40s for "end game", which includes the time it takes to drive to the feeder station load 6 alliance discs, drive to the pyramid, climb it, and place them into the goal.

[nuggetsyl]

Originally Posted by Mr. Lim

Our current textbook strategy allocates ~40s for "end game", which includes the time it takes to drive to the feeder station load 6 alliance discs, drive to the pyramid, climb it, and place the 6 discs into the goal.

Did I say 6? I meant 6. Oops!

Dont miss one of the six beacsue it will cost you if you do

[Donut]

Originally Posted by Mr. Lim

Our current textbook strategy allocates ~40s for "end game", which includes the time it takes to drive to the feeder station load 6 alliance discs, drive to the pyramid, climb it, and place them into the goal.

You might get yellow/red carded for this intentional rule violation.

The Head Referee may assign a YELLOW or RED CARD as a result of egregious ROBOT or Team member behavior at the ARENA.

Examples of egregious behavior include, but are not limited to, severe and/or repeated violations of a rule and inappropriate behavior.

[mdituri]

Originally Posted by Donut

You might get yellow/red carded for this intentional rule violation.

Last season (and I don't know if there was a similar rule off the top of my head about repeated violations) teams would use the strategy of taking a 3 point penalty in automomous to hold and score the extra basketball from the bridge. They were net +3 points. It wasn't considered to be an "intentional" rule violation, but a strategy. It wasn't malicious or damaging, which is what I think the yellow/red card rule applies. If someone intentionally broke the hitting people while in the protected zone rule every match, to cause them to misfeed, that could be considered intentional rule violation.

[Gregor]

Originally Posted by mdituri

Last season (and I don't know if there was a similar rule off the top of my head about repeated violations) teams would use the strategy of taking a 3 point penalty in automomous to hold and score the extra basketball from the bridge. They were net +3 points. It wasn't considered to be an "intentional" rule violation, but a strategy. It wasn't malicious or damaging, which is what I think the yellow/red card rule applies. If someone intentionally broke the hitting people while in the protected zone rule every match, to cause them to misfeed, that could be considered intentional rule violation.

Like who?

[Hallry]

Originally Posted by Gregor

Like who?

I believe 341 and/or 67 might have used this strategy last year in autonomous.

[Gregor]

Originally Posted by Hallry

I believe 341 and/or 67 might have used this strategy last year in autonomous.

Okay, I'm curious now. Got any video?

[nuggetsyl]

Originally Posted by Gregor

Okay, I'm curious now. Got any video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0Tb4dP2RmA

[Justin Montois]

Most Teams: Can't climb to the top
Average for teams that can: 40-30 seconds
Above average: 15-20 seconds
Out of this world 5-10 seconds

4 seconds? Please.

[sanddrag]

Originally Posted by Justin Montois

4 seconds? Please.

I disagree. It's completely possible. Not easy, but definitely possible.

[F22Rapture]

Originally Posted by sanddrag

I disagree. It's completely possible. Not easy, but definitely possible.

I, for one, can't say I would choose a robot which climbed at that speed unless their mechanism was absolutely rock.expletive.solid.

As gabriel pointed out in the other thread... a single bad fall could damage the robot to the point of requiring hours of maintenance to fix... something you just don't have in finals.

Caution never killed anybody. Lack of it however...

[sanddrag]

Originally Posted by F22Rapture

I, for one, can't say I would choose a robot which climbed at that speed unless their mechanism was absolutely rock.expletive.solid

I'd think any team building a mechanism to climb that fast would have the know-how to design it in such a fashion to not break.

[DampRobot]

My bet: more often than not, robots will not be able to climb the tower. Those that can will easily take 30 seconds. The best teams in the world will get under ten. I seriously doubt that anyone will even approach 5, even if you don't count alignment time.

Remember, the hard part of deploying minibots in 2011 wasn't getting them up fast enough. It was getting them deployed quickly. A fast (and reliable) deployment was far more important that a fast climb.

Here's some more food for thought: the first seeded teams would much rather pick a slower team to climb that could always do it (low standard of deviation in score), than a robot that climbed slightly quicker, but couldn't do it sometimes (high standard deviation). Don't worry so much about speed, make a robust and easy to align lift.

[F22Rapture]

Originally Posted by sanddrag

I'd think any team building a mechanism to climb that fast would have the know-how to design it in such a fashion to not break.

I'm not so worried about the climbing part breaking, but a bent axle or sheared off wheel on a West Coast Drive is no fun to fix.

[Paul Copioli]

Originally Posted by sanddrag

I disagree. It's completely possible. Not easy, but definitely possible.

OK, I am going to call it right now. No way is anyone under 5 seconds. In 2010, some of the best robots took 2 - 3 seconds using power take-off from the drive train.

All I can say is ... Nessy 2013 is the 4 second legal climb.