Assisting a Climb

[ToddF]

If the floor under the pyramid counts as part of the pyramid (zone 0) when climbing, wouldn't that also imply that it counts as part of the pyramid when supporting another robot?

Or is it more quantum, being both part of the pyramid (for climbing) and not part of the pyramid (for supporting)?

Maybe it's Schrödinger's floor.

[ptkunapuli478]

Originally Posted by ToddF

If the floor under the pyramid counts as part of the pyramid (zone 0) when climbing, wouldn't that also imply that it counts as part of the pyramid when supporting another robot?

Or is it more quantum, being both part of the pyramid (for climbing) and not part of the pyramid (for supporting)?

Maybe it's Schrödinger's floor.

I don't believe that the floor is considered part of the pyramid in regards to climbing because there are no real field structures on level 0. Our team's understanding of the rules is that a robot (say, robot A), that is fully supported by the pyramid (i.e. hanging on its own), can help support another robot (robot B), which is being partially supported by Robot A.

In terms of the idea of carrying another robot up the pyramid, i think it would still be rendered an illegal climb because that robot is not being directly supported by the pyramid. Even if it were, I predict that refs would call that illegal because the second robot is indirectly in contact with non sequential rungs on the pyramid.

[vikesrock777]

Originally Posted by ptkunapuli478

I don't believe that the floor is considered part of the pyramid in regards to climbing because there are no real field structures on level 0. Our team's understanding of the rules is that a robot (say, robot A), that is fully supported by the pyramid (i.e. hanging on its own), can help support another robot (robot B), which is being partially supported by Robot A.

I feel that you have to regard the floor as part of the pyramid. If it's not part of the pyramid, than it becomes hard(impossible?) to contact the pyramid at level 0 for the sake of a legal climb by the rule in 3.2.4.2

A ROBOT has CLIMBED its PYRAMID if it contacts the PYRAMID in
A. sequential order (Level 0, 1, 2, 3) during ascent and
B. no more than two (2) Levels simultaneously.

Originally Posted by ptkunapuli478

In terms of the idea of carrying another robot up the pyramid, i think it would still be rendered an illegal climb because that robot is not being directly supported by the pyramid.

I don't see a rule dictating a necessity to be supported by the pyramid to be considered for a scored hang, though I may be missing it.

Originally Posted by ptkunapuli478

Even if it were, I predict that refs would call that illegal because the second robot is indirectly in contact with non sequential rungs on the pyramid.

When it comes to lifting a robot up with you, I don't think it would violate the non-sequential rungs rule by indirectly being in contact with another robot touching a higher rung. I would think this contact wouldn't be transitive, but I admittedly have no rule I can find backing up this statement.