Shooting full court?

[pyroslev]

Originally Posted by Austin2046

i definately think it's plausable... but i do worry about tall opposing robots just parking in front of you and blocking shots... not to mention pyramids could be in the way.

Took some time in Sketchup to draw out the field. Added in a few boxes to represent robots of varying heights and used the walkthrough features. The pyramid is only in the way of the left (2 pointer) goal. You've got pretty good line of sight from loading station to the center goal.

Still have to contend with blocking robots but with your wheel in the safe zone, that, warping disks, off side shots and building a shooter than can launch them. Other than that, easy peasy.

[Siri]

Originally Posted by cmrnpizzo14

I am sure that at least one team will try this and have reasonable success.....until the frisbeeswarp. We all know that this will happen, but no one seems to consider it as a factor.

Have you actually warped your disks to an extent that seriously affects your shooting? How?

[Tom Line]

Originally Posted by MagiChau

This year the game piece supply is comparatively larger. Each alliance is given 51 probably unshared discs (assuming discs are not stolen off the ground) Last year there was 18 shared balls for both aliances. At least until MSC I will find it hard to believe on average each robot on an alliance can score 17 discs and deplete the supply.

I doubt an Average robot will be able to at all. I would guess, however, that probably 1/4 to 1/3 of the fields at MSC and MARs champs will be able to do that relatively undefended.

However, a heavily defended robot this year will have trouble traversing the field while keeping away from the pyramid and the other team. In past years with relatively open fields, it still takes 30-40 seconds to traverse the field again a well-playing defender.

[Hallry]

Originally Posted by pyroslev

Took some time in Sketchup to draw out the field. Added in a few boxes to represent robots of varying heights and used the walkthrough features. The pyramid is only in the way of the left (2 pointer) goal. You've got pretty good line of sight from loading station to the center goal.

Still have to contend with blocking robots but with your wheel in the safe zone, that, warping disks, off side shots and building a shooter than can launch them. Other than that, easy peasy.

Could you share this Sketchup file?

[andrewthecow]

Originally Posted by cmrnpizzo14

I am sure that at least one team will try this and have reasonable success.....until the frisbeeswarp. We all know that this will happen, but no one seems to consider it as a factor.

I thought about this until I fooled around with the frisbees. They're made from a different plastic than an "ultimate" frisbee and are much more rigid. When flexed, they quickly return to their original shape. I doubt we'll see many problems with warped discs at competition.

[rcmolloy]

I could definitely see shooting for the highest goal being pretty darn difficult to dial in after extensive testing but because of the obvious height differences and dimensions, I could totally see it occurring in the middle goals. Also, the window to shoot in this year is varied dimensions per height and not an exact circle just placed at different heights.

[Djur]

Originally Posted by rcmolloy

I could definitely see shooting for the highest goal being pretty darn difficult to dial in after extensive testing but because of the obvious height differences and dimensions, I could totally see it occurring in the middle goals. Also, the window to shoot in this year is varied dimensions per height and not an exact circle just placed at different heights.

The high goal is only a few inches higher than the 2 pointers, but it's only 12 inches high as opposed to 21 for the middle goals -- so if you shoot at the high goal from the feeder station, you need to have at most a 5-6 inch height variation at a range of 50 feet -- and height of 114 inches -- to be able to score every disc from the feeder station.

[Doug G]

We would love a full court shooter on our alliance, if they miss a bunch of shots, we could pick them up in the auto zone and score them in the high goal! Saves us time going back to the feeder station.

[dcarr]

Originally Posted by Bill_B

You will only be at 60" when down field. 84" in your autozone. Compare those heights to the bottoms of the two far-wall holes.

That's what I meant - when shooting from your feeder station, you can only be 60" - any opponents attempting to block you can be 84"

[karomata]

On the feeder end of the field, opponent robots can be 84 inches tall and you can only be 60 inches tall. Easy to defend full court shots.

[Donut]

Originally Posted by MagiChau

This year the game piece supply is comparatively larger. Each alliance is given 51 probably unshared discs (assuming discs are not stolen off the ground) Last year there was 18 shared balls for both aliances. At least until MSC I will find it hard to believe on average each robot on an alliance can score 17 discs and deplete the supply.

I agree, I'm wondering if it will be an issue at the higher levels or not (Championship playoffs, District Championships, IRI).

[cmrnpizzo14]

Originally Posted by Siri

Have you actually warped your disks to an extent that seriously affects your shooting? How?

No, but we have only had them for 5 days or so and have not begun heavy use of them. Also, I doubt that teams will be able to warp their disks even with heavy testing because you cannot replicate the beating that they will take at a competition.

Originally Posted by andrewthecow

I thought about this until I fooled around with the frisbees. They're made from a different plastic than an "ultimate" frisbee and are much more rigid. When flexed, they quickly return to their original shape. I doubt we'll see many problems with warped discs at competition.

You are also not a 150 lb robot driving over the top of it.

I might be wrong, but using last years balls as an example, the disks will not get replaced until they absolutely need it. I think that teams with poorly designed shooters that unnecessarily crunch the disk, teams with inaccurate shooters that pound the disks off of the walls, and teams that drive straight over the disks will destroy these disks. We will see, but I think that it is nearly impossible to simulate the wear that an average disk will take until you get to a competition.

[DonRotolo]

Originally Posted by Taylor

I'll just leave this here.

Clay pigeons are a lot denser, less aerodynamic, and you do not want them to have a consistently repeatable trajectory. Variability is good.

Originally Posted by cmrnpizzo14

No, but we have only had them for 5 days or so and have not begun heavy use of them.
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I might be wrong, but using last years balls as an example,

Ok, but I know the efforts Siri's team went through to try and warp the disks, without success. So next time you speculate, label it as such and not as established fact. Please.

Last years balls are not very comparable. FYI.

Bad information is worse than no information

[slijin]

Originally Posted by cmrnpizzo14

... teams that drive straight over the disks will destroy these disks.

Rim damage will occur, most certainly, from the shooter tests that people have already posted, but the speculations you make have already been considered and have been debunked.

[pfreivald]

Iteration throughout the season means that an 84" pole with a sheet of, well, whatever (even, say, 180-count percale cotton bed sheet) on the top will utterly destroy any full-court shooting robots in later regionals and especially at CMP.

Strategy: Park in front of uber-unstoppable robot. Stop shots. When necessary, go climb.