Climbing Mechanism Ideas

[Garten Haeska]

I've read through this entire thread and i was just confused. Are you allowed to drive into the pyramid and latch onto the second rung and winch yourselves up or do you have to touch the first rung first? Or is it that if you are outside the pyramid and latch onto the second rung and winch your self to victory? Are they both legal? Neither? Please help or at least some clarification.

[AlDee]

Originally Posted by $wimmer3138

Do you or any one else know what kind of powder coat it is? I have heard that depending on how it's done the powder coat could make the steel either slick or gritty.

It's very slick. Check out the video from the kickoff:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp4cILBW-xM

[Cal578]

Originally Posted by Garten Haeska

I've read through this entire thread and i was just confused. Are you allowed to drive into the pyramid and latch onto the second rung and winch yourselves up or do you have to touch the first rung first? Or is it that if you are outside the pyramid and latch onto the second rung and winch your self to victory? Are they both legal? Neither? Please help or at least some clarification.

[I underlined the part I'm responding to.]

This would not be a legal climb (it would get 0 points). Game Manual section 3.1.5.2 says the robot must contact the pyramid levels in sequential order. This proposal would contact level 0 (floor) and 2 (second rung), but not level 1.

If you modify this somehow to make it valid, it would be 20 points.

[vikesrock777]

Originally Posted by Garten Haeska

I've read through this entire thread and i was just confused. Are you allowed to drive into the pyramid and latch onto the second rung and winch yourselves up or do you have to touch the first rung first? Or is it that if you are outside the pyramid and latch onto the second rung and winch your self to victory? Are they both legal? Neither? Please help or at least some clarification.

To expand on what Cal578 said, you need to make sure you observe both of the rules when performing your climb.

A ROBOT has CLIMBED its PYRAMID if it contacts the PYRAMID and/or the floor (Level 0) in

sequential order (Level 0, 1, 2, 3) during ascent and
no more than two (2) Levels simultaneously.

In order for a legal climb to get to level 2 points, you need to contact sequentially and contact no more than 2 levels simultaneously. This means that you must first contact the pyramid at level one and lift yourself such that you are no longer contacting the floor (level 0). Only then can you contact level 2 and lift yourself into that zone.

[Cal578]

I'm glad vikesrock expanded on what I said. I actually meant to respond to both proposals. I don't know why I only underlined the second. There isn't any difference (from a rules point of view) between climbing inside or outside the pyramid.

[Kevin Sevcik]

Originally Posted by Jorge Ayala

Is this legal? http://youtu.be/OY4BAbgWvdY

I see the robot being in more than two leves at the same time but only touching two.

Originally Posted by nikeairmancurry

This was an idea I presented today, I think its a great one.

It's interesting, but I'm concerned that you don't have bumpers drawn in there. I suspect it's going to be pretty difficult to get a bumper over the rung if you're lifting like that.

[Nuttyman54]

Originally Posted by Kevin Sevcik

It's interesting, but I'm concerned that you don't have bumpers drawn in there. I suspect it's going to be pretty difficult to get a bumper over the rung if you're lifting like that.

You could always drop a small wedge over the top of the bumper to make it ride smooth. There are ways around bumpers if you need it.

[nikeairmancurry]

Originally Posted by Nuttyman54

You could always drop a small wedge over the top of the bumper to make it ride smooth. There are ways around bumpers if you need it.

Exactly.

[mrnoble]

So Q&A clarified some things today. The following are now confirmed true:

1) The floor is level 0; not the footings of the pyramid.
2) The airspace and the pyramid are not the same thing for climbing legalities. Your robot can "exist" in the airspace of levels 1, 2 and 3 at the same time as long as it only touches the pyramid on two or less of those levels at once.

Question: does anyone think it would be a good idea to plan for the following scenario?

Robot A successfully climbs to level 3 and lowers a winch with a "claw" (or other lifting device) to robot B, waiting on the ground. The winch doesn't touch the ground (thus nullifying the climb), only the top of robot B. It lifts robot B off the ground. If B is only lifted to level 1, both robots get only 10 points each. If lifted to level 2, both robots get 20 points each. In certain circumstances, robot B might be lifted as high as level 3.

This would only work if alliance robots have some sort of bar attached to the top of their robot which allows them to be lifted. Level 3 could only be accomplished if both bots were tiny and well balanced.

Worth the effort?

[nikeairmancurry]

Originally Posted by mrnoble

So Q&A clarified some things today. The following are now confirmed true:

1) The floor is level 0; not the footings of the pyramid.
2) The airspace and the pyramid are not the same thing for climbing legalities. Your robot can "exist" in the airspace of levels 1, 2 and 3 at the same time as long as it only touches the pyramid on two or less of those levels at once.

Question: does anyone think it would be a good idea to plan for the following scenario?

Robot A successfully climbs to level 3 and lowers a winch with a "claw" (or other lifting device) to robot B, waiting on the ground. The winch doesn't touch the ground (thus nullifying the climb), only the top of robot B. It lifts robot B off the ground. If B is only lifted to level 1, both robots get only 10 points each. If lifted to level 2, both robots get 20 points each. In certain circumstances, robot B might be lifted as high as level 3.

This would only work if alliance robots have some sort of bar attached to the top of their robot which allows them to be lifted. Level 3 could only be accomplished if both bots were tiny and well balanced.

Worth the effort?

The way to score points for climbing is, the robot has to touch each level as it climbs, so robot B would get zero points.

[vikesrock777]

Originally Posted by nikeairmancurry

The way to score points for climbing is, the robot has to touch each level as it climbs, so robot B would get zero points.

Please quote rules when making statements to give proof, as I would disagree with the one you just made. When climbing, a robot can't touch two non-adjacent levels and it can't touch 3 levels at once, per section 3.1.5.2. I don't see anything requiring a touch of every level. Because robot B only contacted zone 0, they satisfy the requirements as currently written for a valid hang.

[slijin]

Originally Posted by vikesrock777

Please quote rules when making statements to give proof, as I would disagree with the one you just made. When climbing, a robot can't touch two non-adjacent levels and it can't touch 3 levels at once, per section 3.1.5.2. I don't see anything requiring a touch of every level. Because robot B only contacted zone 0, they satisfy the requirements as currently written for a valid hang.

And yet somehow the rules explicitly state that "A ROBOT has CLIMBED its PYRAMID if it contacts the PYRAMID and/or the floor (Level 0) in ... sequential order (Level 0, 1, 2, 3) during ascent."

There's nothing wrong with asking for people to quote the rules, but please at least read one page of this thread before calling someone out.

[vikesrock777]

Originally Posted by slijin

And yet somehow the rules explicitly state that "A ROBOT has CLIMBED its PYRAMID if it contacts the PYRAMID and/or the floor (Level 0) in ... sequential order (Level 0, 1, 2, 3) during ascent."

Underline mine.

Am I breaking the numerical sequence and contacting non-adjacent levels if I go from level 0 to being supported by something else entirely? I fail to see how this would be breaking the sequence. The proposed solution never contacts levels 2 or 3, so it doesn't break the order of (Level 0, 1, 2, 3), it just doesn't continue past 0.

[Justin Montois]

Originally Posted by vikesrock777

.... I don't see anything requiring a touch of every level....

Do you see it now? You don't have to touch every level. Only the ones you want credit for and only if you want a valid climb. Heck you don't even have to climb at all if you don't want too.

Originally Posted by vikesrock777

Underline mine.

Am I breaking the numerical sequence and contacting non-adjacent levels if I go from level 0 to being supported by something else entirely? I fail to see how this would be breaking the sequence. The proposed solution never contacts levels 2 or 3, so it doesn't break the order of (Level 0, 1, 2, 3), it just doesn't continue past 0.

I'm going to assume that by "being supported by something else entirely" you mean another robot. In this case, you're right, you can go from the ground, up in the air with the assistance from another robot. It's just not worth any points unless after leaving level 0, the next level you contact is level one.

Excuse the fact that I'm not going to post the rule needed because it was already posted in reference to your last post.

On a side note, sorry for pushing your robot over at Championship last year.

[mrnoble]

I forgot one of the important aspects, forgive me. Robot B would swing a bit on the cable, enough to touch the bars as it ascends. Now worth it?