Climbing Rules

[rsegrest]

Actually, I'm a dufus, should have checked Q&A same question posted two days ago and yes the answer is bumpers count...Thanks pfreivald

[pfreivald]

Originally Posted by rsegrest

Actually, I'm a dufus, should have checked Q&A same question posted two days ago and yes the answer is bumpers count...Thanks pfreivald

Oddly enough, I remembered reading it yesterday, but I scoured the Q&A in order to better answer your question, and I just couldn't find it!

[Kit Fieldhouse]

I just read through the QA documentation for the climbing rules and from what I can gather your robot can only be in contact with two levels the air space between them only comes into account when scoring. Therefor you could grab level one lift off the ground then grab level two and then grab level 3 while letting go of level 2. So your robot would be grabbing level one and level three simultaneously without braking the rules because A)You contacted the pyramid in sequential order and B) You are in 3 "air spaces" but are contacting only 2 levels making it legal. Again this is just my take I recommend that you check for yourself with this attached file. Good luck to all!!!!!!

[Kevin Sevcik]

Originally Posted by Kit Fieldhouse

I just read through the QA documentation for the climbing rules and from what I can gather your robot can only be in contact with two levels the air space between them only comes into account when scoring. Therefor you could grab level one lift off the ground then grab level two and then grab level 3 while letting go of level 2. So your robot would be grabbing level one and level three simultaneously without braking the rules because A)You contacted the pyramid in sequential order and B) You are in 3 "air spaces" but are contacting only 2 levels making it legal. Again this is just my take I recommend that you check for yourself with this attached file. Good luck to all!!!!!!

You are incorrect sir.

Q. Will this CLIMB be considered valid according to Section 3.1.5.2 A and B: The ROBOT is touching the first rung. Afterwards the ROBOT grabs the third rung, while breaking contact with the first rung. During the ROBOT's climb to the third level, it touches the second rung, and reaches the third level.
A. No. The ROBOT contacts PYRAMID Levels in a non-sequential order (Level 1 then Level 3).

Your scenario is pretty much identical to this. The GDC has been saying that the sequential order rule really means you can't be touching two non-sequential levels at the same time. 1 and 3 are non-sequential, so your method is an invalid climb.

[rich2202]

Originally Posted by JesseK

Essentially, since level 0 (the floor) is considered part of the climb now, nothing says a robot can't flop down a 1/16" thick ABS sheet (or whatever your favorite flavor of material is), have another robot drive onto it, and get 10 climb points anywhere on the field. As far as I can tell (solely from 3.1.5.2), it still fits the definition of a climb in the current form without any "interpretation".

The ABS would be considered part of the robot. You can't leave anything behind.

Now, if you put a bunch of discs on the floor by the pyramid, and drove onto the discs, then you would no longer be in contact with level 0. If you then touched bar 1, that would satisfy sequential. You could then touch bar 2.

[pfreivald]

Originally Posted by rich2202

The ABS would be considered part of the robot. You can't leave anything behind.

Now, if you put a bunch of discs on the floor by the pyramid, and drove onto the discs, then you would no longer be in contact with level 0. If you then touched bar 1, that would satisfy sequential. You could then touch bar 2.

G16. TEAMS and/or ROBOTS may not employ strategies that use DISCS to either aid or inhibit a ROBOT CLIMB.

[engunneer]

He was also referring to dropping the abs for someone else to drive on. It would be tricky inside the 54" cylinder.

[Kit Fieldhouse]

Originally Posted by Kevin Sevcik

You are incorrect sir.Your scenario is pretty much identical to this. The GDC has been saying that the sequential order rule really means you can't be touching two non-sequential levels at the same time. 1 and 3 are non-sequential, so your method is an invalid climb.

Q.In order to be a valid climb in sequential order, a robot must be fully supported by zone 1 (off the
ground), prior to contacting zone 2. In other words, a robot cannot be touching Zone 0 and
touching zone 2 at the same time. Is this a correct statement?

A.The first statement in this submission is incorrect. The requirements in Section 3.1.5.2 A and B
pertain to the ROBOT'S contact with the PYRAMID structure and/or floor within each Level, not the
ROBOT'S presence in the physical space of the Level.

If you were right then wouldn't this have to be wrong?

[Siri]

The GDC has just revised several climbing rule Q&As in order to restrict the suspension strategies authorized a week ago:

Q: Is it a valid climb and 30 points if robot A is used as a base and is touching the pyramid with its bumper while on the floor at level 0. Robot B roles onto robot A and is lifted straight up by robot A past the 30 inch and 60 inch height requirements for level 2 & 3. Robot A is touching level 0.
A: Please see Q107. We have revised the answer to this question because, after further discussion, we agree that the answer above does in fact conflict with the Game Manual and the intent of the language in the Game Manual. Please accept our apologies. Please see the revised answer for Q107.

Q: Is a robot that only contacts Level 0 considered to have CLIMBED for the purpose of receiving CLIMB points as "determined by the lowest point of the ROBOT" as appropriate? For instance, this would require that contacting only Level 0 constitute contacting in "sequential order" during ascent
A: Yes. We have revised the answer to this question because, after further discussion, we agree that the answer above does in fact conflict with the Game Manual and the intent of the language in the Game Manual. Please accept our apologies. The revised answer is no, a ROBOT that has only contacted the floor in Level 0, but ascended, is not eligible for CLIMB points.

Q: Assume Robot A makes a valid climb to Level 3. 1) If Robot A grapples Robot B and hoists Robot B completely above the first rung, does Robot B score 20 points? Robot B has only touched Level 0 of the pyramid, and has not touched two non-consecutive levels at the same time.
A: Yes. ROBOT B would have completed a valid climb to Level 2 per the criteria outlined in Section 3.1.5.2. We have revised the answer to this question because, after further discussion, we agree that the answer above does in fact conflict with the Game Manual and the intent of the language in the Game Manual. Please accept our apologies. 1) No, per Section 3.1.5.2, in order for a ROBOT to have CLIMBED the PYRAMID, it must contact the PYRAMID in the Levels in sequential order during ascent. In this example Robot B contacted Level 0, but not the PYRAMID in Levels 1 and 2 as it ascended and is therefore not eligible for CLIMB points.

What's up with all these Q&A contradictions/changes?

[AllenGregoryIV]

Originally Posted by Siri

The GDC has just revised several climbing rule Q&As in order to restrict the suspension strategies authorized a week ago:

Q: Is it a valid climb and 30 points if robot A is used as a base and is touching the pyramid with its bumper while on the floor at level 0. Robot B roles onto robot A and is lifted straight up by robot A past the 30 inch and 60 inch height requirements for level 2 & 3. Robot A is touching level 0.
A: Please see Q107. We have revised the answer to this question because, after further discussion, we agree that the answer above does in fact conflict with the Game Manual and the intent of the language in the Game Manual. Please accept our apologies. Please see the revised answer for Q107.

Q: Is a robot that only contacts Level 0 considered to have CLIMBED for the purpose of receiving CLIMB points as "determined by the lowest point of the ROBOT" as appropriate? For instance, this would require that contacting only Level 0 constitute contacting in "sequential order" during ascent
A: Yes. We have revised the answer to this question because, after further discussion, we agree that the answer above does in fact conflict with the Game Manual and the intent of the language in the Game Manual. Please accept our apologies. The revised answer is no, a ROBOT that has only contacted the floor in Level 0, but ascended, is not eligible for CLIMB points.

Q: Assume Robot A makes a valid climb to Level 3. 1) If Robot A grapples Robot B and hoists Robot B completely above the first rung, does Robot B score 20 points? Robot B has only touched Level 0 of the pyramid, and has not touched two non-consecutive levels at the same time.
A: Yes. ROBOT B would have completed a valid climb to Level 2 per the criteria outlined in Section 3.1.5.2. We have revised the answer to this question because, after further discussion, we agree that the answer above does in fact conflict with the Game Manual and the intent of the language in the Game Manual. Please accept our apologies. 1) No, per Section 3.1.5.2, in order for a ROBOT to have CLIMBED the PYRAMID, it must contact the PYRAMID in the Levels in sequential order during ascent. In this example Robot B contacted Level 0, but not the PYRAMID in Levels 1 and 2 as it ascended and is therefore not eligible for CLIMB points.

What's up with all these Q&A contradictions/changes?

I started a thread here to discuss these changes. I think it needs its own thread so more people see it.