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Car Nack Predicts 13-3

Car Nack predicts 13-3

Surprisingly there will be a least one match where all three robots on an alliance will score 30 climbing points.

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Re: Car Nack Predicts 13-3

Wow that is a bold prediction, but if it was going to happen I think you could only see it at MSC or IRI.
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Wow that is a bold prediction, but if it was going to happen I think you could only see it at MSC or IRI.
Or SVR...
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Re: Car Nack Predicts 13-3

I think Car Nack made his first prediction without realizing how many teams were going to attempt the 30 point climb. Now after seeing how many teams are going after it, there probably will be at least 1 match with 3 30 point climbs
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Re: Car Nack Predicts 13-3

Car Nack did not specify that EACH robot would score 30 climbing points. Therefore, I agree with Car Nack, and suggest that it will happen at most if not all regionals.

3 robots at 10 points apiece is all three robots on an alliance scoring 30 climbing points. Or 1 robot at 20 and 1 at 10...
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Re: Car Nack Predicts 13-3

I think this prediction is made even more viable based on the number of teams who are choosing to only climb. For the most part, these are teams with lower resources and often not very competitive bots.
But this year:
If half of the not usually competitive teams complete the challenge to climb for 30, then you may end up seeing regionals with 20+ 30 point climbers.

Another reason this game might be the best^.
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Car Nack did not specify that EACH robot would score 30 climbing points. Therefore, I agree with Car Nack, and suggest that it will happen at most if not all regionals.

3 robots at 10 points apiece is all three robots on an alliance scoring 30 climbing points. Or 1 robot at 20 and 1 at 10...
I could be wrong, but I think the intent of the prediction was that each robot scores 30 climbing points, with all of them in the top zone of the pyramid.

I would agree with Car Nack's prediction (and certainly with your's too, Eric). I can see a large amount (but not a "vast majority") of teams aiming for the 30 point climb. Not many (i.e. few) of them will be "reliable" or "consistent", but I can easily see a match where things just line up perfectly at some regionals.
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Re: Car Nack Predicts 13-3

If this happens, I am fairly certain it would be during qualifications, or from a #8 seed. The top few seeded alliances just don't have enough field depth left to choose from at all events except maybe MSC, IRI, or CMP.
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Re: Car Nack Predicts 13-3

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I think this prediction is made even more viable based on the number of teams who are choosing to only climb. For the most part, these are teams with lower resources and often not very competitive bots.
But this year:
If half of the not usually competitive teams complete the challenge to climb for 30, then you may end up seeing regionals with 20+ 30 point climbers.

Another reason this game might be the best^.
I don't think so. A team who normally makes a not very competitive bot is very likely to fail if they are trying to 30 point climb.
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I don't think so. A team who normally makes a not very competitive bot is very likely to fail if they are trying to 30 point climb.
I agree. A lot of people are underestimating how easy it is to pick up from the HP, shoot, and 10 point hang.
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I think this prediction is made even more viable based on the number of teams who are choosing to only climb. For the most part, these are teams with lower resources and often not very competitive bots.
But this year:
If half of the not usually competitive teams complete the challenge to climb for 30, then you may end up seeing regionals with 20+ 30 point climbers.

Another reason this game might be the best^.
This assumption is counter intuitive.

Climbing for 30 points is the most difficult task of all my years in FIRST. Many low resource teams might try but the vast majority will fail. My advise to low resource teams is make a human loaded shooter. This is a brazillion times easier to do than climb for 30.
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This assumption is counter intuitive.

Climbing for 30 points is the most difficult task of all my years in FIRST. Many low resource teams might try but the vast majority will fail. My advise to low resource teams is make a human loaded shooter. This is a brazillion times easier to do than climb for 30.
Alot of low performers would rather fail spectacularly than go for the low hanging fruit. For some reason they see inspiration in this.
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Alot of low performers would rather fail spectacularly than go for the low hanging fruit. For some reason they see inspiration in this.
As a "low performer" (Don't worry we're only hanging on the 10). We often over estimate our capabilities, ex looking on chiefdelphi and going "Oh we can do that" and spending 4 weeks and never figuring out how to do x thing. This year we've done as much as our team is able to do, and so far so good, we have a working shooter and working robot on week 3, which is unheard of.

And low performer is quite hurtful, we prefer overly optimistic. Calling our team low performing is not that motivating.
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As a "low performer" (Don't worry we're only hanging on the 10). We often over estimate our capabilities, ex looking on chiefdelphi and going "Oh we can do that" and spending 4 weeks and never figuring out how to do x thing. This year we've done as much as our team is able to do, and so far so good, we have a working shooter and working robot on week 3, which is unheard of.

And low performer is quite hurtful, we prefer overly optimistic. Calling our team low performing is not that motivating.
Well FIRST is filled with many overly optimistic teams that could do themselves (and their partners) a favor and take a step back and build robots that will actually perform. They may actually find themselves working on Saturday afternoon because of it.
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Is "Car Nack Predicts" A tradition on chief delphi? Does anyone know the story behind it?
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