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View Poll Results: Do you plan on harvesting off the floor?
Yes, we are going to have a harvester. 92 48.68%
No, we're only going to have a shooter. We plan on shooting from the feed slot. 21 11.11%
No, we decided shooting and climbing is more important. 43 22.75%
No, we are only going to climb, and score in auto. 10 5.29%
No, we are a defensive robot, we are only going to block people's shots. 3 1.59%
Yes. We are doing everything. And doing it well (yes, I'm looking at you Michigan) 39 20.63%
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Re: Who Is Planning On Harvesting Fribees Off The Floor?

Our team is actively pursuing floor pickup with some decent results. Our intake system will likely be a bit different from others, but prototypes show some great success. The real difficulty in this is working dimensions so this system will fit in the frame perimeter and the 54" cylinder.
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Re: Who Is Planning On Harvesting Fribees Off The Floor?

We have created a system for picking up frisbees that is just as fast our intake last year for basketballs (we attached it to our robot from last year and were picking up frisbee in sight). If there are no frisbees to pick up, we are planning on being able to load our robot through the feeding station.
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Re: Who Is Planning On Harvesting Fribees Off The Floor?

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This is a great plan as long as both of your partners are also armed with Frisbee Sniper Rifles.
"frisbee sniper rifles"
first, lolz.
second, we have one

we decided day one that we were going to focus on a shooter instead of picking up, mostly because of the smaller frame and some of our thoughts on climbing.
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Re: Who Is Planning On Harvesting Fribees Off The Floor?

Having floor pickup will be critical for those teams that want to seed high. A team with a good harvester and shooter and decent programmers could score up to 54 points in autonomous. That's probably enough to clinch the second-order ranking sort, and possibly win most regional/district matches.
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Re: Who Is Planning On Harvesting Fribees Off The Floor?

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Having floor pickup will be critical for those teams that want to seed high. A team with a good harvester and shooter and decent programmers could score up to 54 points in autonomous. That's probably enough to clinch the second-order ranking sort, and possibly win most regional/district matches.
I agree with Pat here guys. Any team that isn't making an intake, you are missing out on on seeding high where other teams will be making plenty in autonomous.

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Re: Who Is Planning On Harvesting Fribees Off The Floor?

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Having floor pickup will be critical for those teams that want to seed high. A team with a good harvester and shooter and decent programmers could score up to 54 points in autonomous. That's probably enough to clinch the second-order ranking sort, and possibly win most regional/district matches.
Entirely this. If you make a floor pickup that you only ever use in autonomous, you'll be in the top 8. The ability to score 42 points alone in autonomous will win most matches.

Assume you're on an alliance with two robots that can preload and score 3 frisbees each. If you can score 3, pick up the remaining 4 on your side of the field, and score those, you have the potential of starting the match with 78 points. If only you score, you're still at 42.
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Re: Who Is Planning On Harvesting Fribees Off The Floor?

With the smaller dimensions this year, it'll be hardish to pick up 2 at a time with out jamming. Yes, its not too difficult to make your pickup wide enough to pick up 2 if you line up correctly. But to do that and feed it into you hopper without jamming is a different thing. And to do it quickly...
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Re: Who Is Planning On Harvesting Fribees Off The Floor?

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I agree with Pat here guys. Any team that isn't making an intake, you are missing out on on seeding high where other teams will be making plenty in autonomous.
How many teams picked up off the bridge successfully last year? How many had intakes?

Just making three every time might hurt you at the Championship, but I don't think it's nearly as bad at the regional level as you guys are making it out to be.
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Re: Who Is Planning On Harvesting Fribees Off The Floor?

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It was nearly unanimous on the day after kickoff that we wanted to pickup from the floor.

A few days later we decided that picking up off the floor was going to be the last thing on our list.

With our limited resources this year we decided that spending time on floor pickup probably wasn't worth our time as it doesn't gain you points (except in autonomous) just "options". With that said we are focusing on a shooter and climber. At this time floor pickup doesn't look so good for us due to the constraint's given to us (54" rule...) and our strategy.

How long would it take to scoop up and accurately shoot 10 disks scattered about the field for 30 points? Probably longer than climbing the tower for 30. (depending on your climber.)


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Having floor pickup will be critical for those teams that want to seed high. A team with a good harvester and shooter and decent programmers could score up to 54 points in autonomous. That's probably enough to clinch the second-order ranking sort, and possibly win most regional/district matches.
Oh no, the 'Poofs are doing a 9 disc autonomous?
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Re: Who Is Planning On Harvesting Fribees Off The Floor?

We have all but written off floor pickup, but we have a napkin-sketch contingency should the game change between Palmetto and South Florida.
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Having floor pickup will be critical for those teams that want to seed high. A team with a good harvester and shooter and decent programmers could score up to 54 points in autonomous. That's probably enough to clinch the second-order ranking sort, and possibly win most regional/district matches.
I think 179 from 2011 would have a pretty good argument to refute this.
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Re: Who Is Planning On Harvesting Fribees Off The Floor?

With the attempt to at least explore floor harvesting options is a must.
However, the difference between trying to do it vs. deciding not to (focused solely on feeder loading) will save you at least 2 weeks of build season pain.
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Having floor pickup will be critical for those teams that want to seed high. A team with a good harvester and shooter and decent programmers could score up to 54 points in autonomous. That's probably enough to clinch the second-order ranking sort, and possibly win most regional/district matches.
Depends on where you go.

Early events will be decided by who can play the game consistently while later weeks require you to consistently perform most/all of the game to be successful.

Lucky for us we are attending both a week 1 and week 6 event so our strategy requires us to be prepared for both ends of the playing field.
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I think 179 from 2011 would have a pretty good argument to refute this.
It would have been, if "number of tubes picked up off floor" was how seeding was determined.

To argue against myself for a minute, after WLT, autonomous score is what determines seeding. You have a hard limit of 18 points unless you floor load. This is really THE reason to consider floor loading this year. Other strategies are all secondary to autonomous mode in this regard.
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