Go to Post This brings back childhood memories of playing with erector sets... Wait. I still do. :D - Whippet [more]
Home
Go Back   Chief Delphi > Technical > Motors
CD-Media   CD-Spy  
portal register members calendar search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read FAQ rules

 
Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 22-01-2013, 22:06
Ether's Avatar
Ether Ether is offline
systems engineer (retired)
no team
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Rookie Year: 1969
Location: US
Posts: 8,074
Ether has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond reputeEther has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Best motor/gearbox for lifting

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparks333 View Post
Then, divide the wattage by 12v and make sure you're not going over the current limits of the breakers. If you are, you are trying to go too fast (or you're too heavy)
Close, but no cigar.

The motor wattage rating is the mechanical power at the output shaft, not the electrical power the motor is consuming.

But your point is well taken. The operating current should be checked.

You can find the operating current by using the motor curves or this motor calculator.


  #2   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 22-01-2013, 22:16
Sparks333's Avatar
Sparks333 Sparks333 is offline
Robotics Engineer
AKA: Dane B.
FRC #1425 (Wilsonville Robotics)
Team Role: Alumni
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Rookie Year: 2003
Location: Wilsonville, Oregon
Posts: 184
Sparks333 is a glorious beacon of lightSparks333 is a glorious beacon of lightSparks333 is a glorious beacon of lightSparks333 is a glorious beacon of lightSparks333 is a glorious beacon of lightSparks333 is a glorious beacon of light
Send a message via AIM to Sparks333
Re: Best motor/gearbox for lifting

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ether View Post
Close, but no cigar.

The motor wattage rating is the mechanical power at the output shaft, not the electrical power the motor is consuming.

But your point is well taken. The operating current should be checked.

You can find the operating current by using the motor curves or this motor calculator.


Fair point - but running at peak efficiency those motors are around 80% efficient anyway, so you can definitely get a ballpark assuming mechanical energy is equivalent to electrical energy. The actual motor model is a lot less fun

Sparks
__________________
ICs do weird things when voltage is run out of spec.

I love to take things apart. The fact that they work better when I put them back together it just a bonus.

http://www.ravenblack.net/random/surreal.html
  #3   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 22-01-2013, 22:35
pfreivald's Avatar
pfreivald pfreivald is offline
Registered User
AKA: Patrick Freivald
FRC #1551 (The Grapes of Wrath)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Rookie Year: 2001
Location: Naples, NY
Posts: 2,296
pfreivald has a reputation beyond reputepfreivald has a reputation beyond reputepfreivald has a reputation beyond reputepfreivald has a reputation beyond reputepfreivald has a reputation beyond reputepfreivald has a reputation beyond reputepfreivald has a reputation beyond reputepfreivald has a reputation beyond reputepfreivald has a reputation beyond reputepfreivald has a reputation beyond reputepfreivald has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Best motor/gearbox for lifting

We tested our lift today, and are certain that one CIM *can* do the job... But we are using two, even though the lift isn't appreciably faster, just to be sure. (We have the weight, so the extra CIM is just insurance of the current/power variety.)

"Just To Be Sure!" could be the motto for our climbing team... We're likely over-engineering everything, and adding in robot-safety features that really aren't necessary, and we're glad to do it!
__________________
Patrick Freivald -- Mentor
Team 1551
"The Grapes of Wrath"
Bausch & Lomb, PTC Corporation, and Naples High School

I write books, too!
  #4   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 22-01-2013, 22:39
Dad1279 Dad1279 is offline
Registered User
FRC #1279 (Cold Fusion)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Rookie Year: 2004
Location: NJ
Posts: 511
Dad1279 has much to be proud ofDad1279 has much to be proud ofDad1279 has much to be proud ofDad1279 has much to be proud ofDad1279 has much to be proud ofDad1279 has much to be proud ofDad1279 has much to be proud ofDad1279 has much to be proud ofDad1279 has much to be proud of
Re: Best motor/gearbox for lifting

Adding ballast and needing extra weight is a foreign concept to us.....
  #5   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 22-01-2013, 22:37
Richard Wallace's Avatar
Richard Wallace Richard Wallace is offline
I live for the details.
FRC #3620 (Average Joes)
Team Role: Engineer
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Rookie Year: 1996
Location: Southwestern Michigan
Posts: 3,647
Richard Wallace has a reputation beyond reputeRichard Wallace has a reputation beyond reputeRichard Wallace has a reputation beyond reputeRichard Wallace has a reputation beyond reputeRichard Wallace has a reputation beyond reputeRichard Wallace has a reputation beyond reputeRichard Wallace has a reputation beyond reputeRichard Wallace has a reputation beyond reputeRichard Wallace has a reputation beyond reputeRichard Wallace has a reputation beyond reputeRichard Wallace has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Best motor/gearbox for lifting

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparks333 View Post
The actual motor model is a lot less fun
Fun is a matter of perspective. I happen to think actual motor models are incredibly fun.

And motors running at maximum power are definitely NOT running at their peak efficiency. Current draw will be higher than you think.

Ether is right, you need to do the math. The calculators he pointed to will help you with that.
__________________
Richard Wallace

Mentor since 2011 for FRC 3620 Average Joes (St. Joseph, Michigan)
Mentor 2002-10 for FRC 931 Perpetual Chaos (St. Louis, Missouri)
since 2003

I believe in intuition and inspiration. Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination embraces the entire world, stimulating progress, giving birth to evolution. It is, strictly speaking, a real factor in scientific research.
(Cosmic Religion : With Other Opinions and Aphorisms (1931) by Albert Einstein, p. 97)
Closed Thread


Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:25.

The Chief Delphi Forums are sponsored by Innovation First International, Inc.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Chief Delphi