Go to Post 254 bends CIM shafts every now and then in the drivetrain. I didn't believe it was possible until I saw it myself. - AustinSchuh [more]
Home
Go Back   Chief Delphi > ChiefDelphi.com Website > Extra Discussion
CD-Media   CD-Spy  
portal register members calendar search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read FAQ rules

 
Reply
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 24-01-2013, 00:06
mickztlin mickztlin is offline
Y_SO_CRIO
FRC #2637
Team Role: Electrical
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Rookie Year: 2011
Location: Rancho palos verdes
Posts: 26
mickztlin can only hope to improve
pic: we were prototyping and made this sketchy gearbox.

Reply With Quote
  #2   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 24-01-2013, 00:12
sanddrag sanddrag is offline
On to my 16th year in FRC
FRC #0696 (Circuit Breakers)
Team Role: Teacher
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Rookie Year: 2002
Location: Glendale, CA
Posts: 8,516
sanddrag has a reputation beyond reputesanddrag has a reputation beyond reputesanddrag has a reputation beyond reputesanddrag has a reputation beyond reputesanddrag has a reputation beyond reputesanddrag has a reputation beyond reputesanddrag has a reputation beyond reputesanddrag has a reputation beyond reputesanddrag has a reputation beyond reputesanddrag has a reputation beyond reputesanddrag has a reputation beyond repute
Re: pic: we were prototyping and made this sketchy gearbox.

What gears are those?
__________________
Teacher/Engineer/Machinist - Team 696 Circuit Breakers, 2011 - Present
Mentor/Engineer/Machinist, Team 968 RAWC, 2007-2010
Technical Mentor, Team 696 Circuit Breakers, 2005-2007
Student Mechanical Leader and Driver, Team 696 Circuit Breakers, 2002-2004
Reply With Quote
  #3   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 24-01-2013, 00:15
TheOtherGuy's Avatar
TheOtherGuy TheOtherGuy is offline
Unregistered User
AKA: Kevin Forbes
FRC #4183 (Bit Buckets)
Team Role: Engineer
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Rookie Year: 2006
Location: Tucson, AZ
Posts: 408
TheOtherGuy has a reputation beyond reputeTheOtherGuy has a reputation beyond reputeTheOtherGuy has a reputation beyond reputeTheOtherGuy has a reputation beyond reputeTheOtherGuy has a reputation beyond reputeTheOtherGuy has a reputation beyond reputeTheOtherGuy has a reputation beyond reputeTheOtherGuy has a reputation beyond reputeTheOtherGuy has a reputation beyond reputeTheOtherGuy has a reputation beyond reputeTheOtherGuy has a reputation beyond repute
Re: pic: we were prototyping and made this sketchy gearbox.

Sketchy? Naw... nutty, perhaps.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #4   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 24-01-2013, 00:20
wilsonmw04's Avatar
wilsonmw04 wilsonmw04 is offline
Coach
FRC #1086 (Blue Cheese)
Team Role: Teacher
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Rookie Year: 2007
Location: Midlothian, VA
Posts: 1,887
wilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: pic: we were prototyping and made this sketchy gearbox.

Quote:
Originally Posted by sanddrag View Post
What gears are those?
They look like FTC gears...
__________________
Currently: Coach FRC 1086/FTC 93
2006-2011 Coach FRC 2106/FTC 35
If you come to a FRC event to see a robot competition, you are missing the point.
Reply With Quote
  #5   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 24-01-2013, 01:58
fox46's Avatar
fox46 fox46 is offline
Registered User
FRC #2013 (Cybergnomes)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Rookie Year: 2000
Location: Toronto, ON, Canada
Posts: 400
fox46 has a reputation beyond reputefox46 has a reputation beyond reputefox46 has a reputation beyond reputefox46 has a reputation beyond reputefox46 has a reputation beyond reputefox46 has a reputation beyond reputefox46 has a reputation beyond reputefox46 has a reputation beyond reputefox46 has a reputation beyond reputefox46 has a reputation beyond reputefox46 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: pic: we were prototyping and made this sketchy gearbox.

Gearbox looks good but I worry about what you plan to put on the output of that thing. Remember that very few wheels were ever designed to spin at those kinds of high speeds and whatever does needs to be built to withstand very high centrifugal forces.
__________________
Mentor, Team 2013 Cybergnomes 2010 - 2014, 2016
Mentor, Team 3756 RamFerno 2011 - 2013
Mentor, Team 854 Iron Bears 2005-2007
Founding member, Team 854 Iron Bears 2000-2005

Mech.Eng.+Mgt University of Ontario 2009
B.Ed OCT Trent University 2015
Professional Education and Product Knowledge Consultant - Toyota Canada Inc.
Reply With Quote
  #6   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 24-01-2013, 02:07
Garrett.d.w's Avatar
Garrett.d.w Garrett.d.w is offline
Build Lead
FRC #2733 (The Pigmice)
Team Role: Alumni
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Rookie Year: 2010
Location: Portland
Posts: 318
Garrett.d.w is a splendid one to beholdGarrett.d.w is a splendid one to beholdGarrett.d.w is a splendid one to beholdGarrett.d.w is a splendid one to beholdGarrett.d.w is a splendid one to beholdGarrett.d.w is a splendid one to beholdGarrett.d.w is a splendid one to behold
Re: pic: we were prototyping and made this sketchy gearbox.

Quote:
Originally Posted by fox46 View Post
Gearbox looks good but I worry about what you plan to put on the output of that thing. Remember that very few wheels were ever designed to spin at those kinds of high speeds and whatever does needs to be built to withstand very high centrifugal forces.
Put a guard on whatever you are spinning. People have had trouble with separating tread running at the speed of a CIM motor. With this you are doubling it.

Its awesome, just be very, very careful.

PS: can you post a video once you spin something with it?
__________________
"A mind once stretched by a thought will never regain it's original dimensions."

Optimists think the glass is half full.
Pessimists think the glass is half empty.
Engineers realize it's twice as big as it needs to be.
Reply With Quote
  #7   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 24-01-2013, 06:46
Jibri Wright's Avatar
Jibri Wright Jibri Wright is offline
Registered User
FRC #1781 (Electric Eagles)
Team Role: CAD
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Rookie Year: 2011
Location: Chicago
Posts: 179
Jibri Wright will become famous soon enough
Re: pic: we were prototyping and made this sketchy gearbox.

These CIM motors are geared down right? Just make sure you don't have a problem with power if this is what is driving the robot. If this is for a wheel on a shooter, then it looks like it could shoot a frisbee full court with the right type of motor. Test it out!
Reply With Quote
  #8   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 24-01-2013, 07:08
wilsonmw04's Avatar
wilsonmw04 wilsonmw04 is offline
Coach
FRC #1086 (Blue Cheese)
Team Role: Teacher
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Rookie Year: 2007
Location: Midlothian, VA
Posts: 1,887
wilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond reputewilsonmw04 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: pic: we were prototyping and made this sketchy gearbox.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jibri Wright View Post
These CIM motors are geared down right? Just make sure you don't have a problem with power if this is what is driving the robot. If this is for a wheel on a shooter, then it looks like it could shoot a frisbee full court with the right type of motor. Test it out!
Looks like this is not a reduction but an increase.
__________________
Currently: Coach FRC 1086/FTC 93
2006-2011 Coach FRC 2106/FTC 35
If you come to a FRC event to see a robot competition, you are missing the point.
Reply With Quote
  #9   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 24-01-2013, 12:03
Nathan Streeter's Avatar
Nathan Streeter Nathan Streeter is offline
FIRST Fan(atic)
FRC #1519 (Mechanical MAYHEM)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Rookie Year: 2006
Location: Merrimack, NH
Posts: 676
Nathan Streeter has a reputation beyond reputeNathan Streeter has a reputation beyond reputeNathan Streeter has a reputation beyond reputeNathan Streeter has a reputation beyond reputeNathan Streeter has a reputation beyond reputeNathan Streeter has a reputation beyond reputeNathan Streeter has a reputation beyond reputeNathan Streeter has a reputation beyond reputeNathan Streeter has a reputation beyond reputeNathan Streeter has a reputation beyond reputeNathan Streeter has a reputation beyond repute
Re: pic: we were prototyping and made this sketchy gearbox.

That'll be one heck of an output shaft speed... As mentioned above, be very careful!

Out of curiosity, what diameter wheel/pulley are you driving with that?
__________________
"If you want to build a ship, don't drum up men to gather wood, divide the work, or give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea." - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"The fight is won or lost far away from witnesses - behind the lines, in the gym, and out there on the road, long before I dance under those lights." - Muhammad Ali
"Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication." - Leonardo da Vinci


Student: 2006-2010 (#1519)
Mentor: 2011-Present (#1519)


Reply With Quote
  #10   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 24-01-2013, 12:19
dudefise dudefise is offline
Registered User
FRC #2637 (Panthers)
Team Role: College Student
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Rookie Year: 2011
Location: CA
Posts: 92
dudefise is an unknown quantity at this point
Re: pic: we were prototyping and made this sketchy gearbox.

Quote:
Originally Posted by sanddrag View Post
What gears are those?
They are the FTC gears we had left over from minibots from 2011. It gears up the CIMs 1:2 using 80 and 40 tooth gears.

Quote:
Originally Posted by fox46 View Post
Gearbox looks good but I worry about what you plan to put on the output of that thing. Remember that very few wheels were ever designed to spin at those kinds of high speeds and whatever does needs to be built to withstand very high centrifugal forces.
It will be driving a shooter wheel, and for safety it will be tested within the confines of a lexan box. We did manage to break a tread before, and it was stopped by the box.
__________________
2010 VRC 2453B - Team Captain
2011 FRC 2637 - Electrical - Las Vegas Regional Semifinalists with 1726 and 166
2012 FRC 2637 - Electronics Captain - Las Vegas Regional Semifinalists with 1661 and 2984
2013 FRC 2637 - Build Captain - Inland Empire Quarterfinalists with 3925 and 207
2014 FRC 2637 - College Mentor - Central Valley Quarterfinalists with 2085 and 5136 / LA Regional Semifinalists with 696 and 5102
2015 FRC 2637 - Lazy Schmuck - Couch Sitting Quarterfinalist
2016 FRC 2637 - College Mentor - SD Regional Finalist with 1572 and 2443, Excellence in Engineering, Wildcard
Reply With Quote
  #11   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 24-01-2013, 13:19
protoserge's Avatar
protoserge protoserge is offline
CAD, machining, circuits, fun!
AKA: Some call me... Tim?
FRC #0365 (MOE) & former 836 Mentor)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Rookie Year: 2002
Location: Wilmington, DE
Posts: 754
protoserge has a reputation beyond reputeprotoserge has a reputation beyond reputeprotoserge has a reputation beyond reputeprotoserge has a reputation beyond reputeprotoserge has a reputation beyond reputeprotoserge has a reputation beyond reputeprotoserge has a reputation beyond reputeprotoserge has a reputation beyond reputeprotoserge has a reputation beyond reputeprotoserge has a reputation beyond reputeprotoserge has a reputation beyond repute
Re: pic: we were prototyping and made this sketchy gearbox.

What kind of shooter wheel are you using? What diameter? Are you using a treaded wheel? I can't see clearly from your photo, but are you using ball bearings rated for the output RPM?

If you separated the tread off a wheel before, what design requirement states you HAVE to spin that fast? Have you tried spinning at a CIM shaft speed or slower? Maybe you will find that you don't need more speed, you actually need less speed.

I don't mean to sound harsh or overly critical, but too many of these shooter designs have not been fully thought out for safe, reliable operation and need to identify the safety and risk of operation.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 23:28.

The Chief Delphi Forums are sponsored by Innovation First International, Inc.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Chief Delphi