Could human players score points with the fresbie?

[Tyler Olds]

I predict this year that more colored disks will land in the opponet alliance's pyramid goal then the team's alliance pyramid goal.

[Jay O'Donnell]

Originally Posted by Nemo

This year there is no defined back end of the alliance station, right? Unless I'm missing a rule, the human player can back away from the wall to eliminate the need to throw the frisbee at a steep upward angle. That should make it easier to score.

Don't quote me on this, but I believe you must stay on the carpet. (so it acts like a boundary)

[JohnYes869]

Originally Posted by JesseK

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that, except for the random pyramid disc, no. Frisbee physics will prevent human player scoring this year.

Team 869 has a few students including myself that are very into ultimate frisbee so we actually held tryouts for the position. Using a hammer throw style we were able to make about 4 frisbees in a goal the size and height of the second goal that was 50 feet away while throwing over a wall we made. This would happen on a good run. It is hard to do, but it is very possible.

[Pi3th0n]

One thing that will need to be considered is that if players start throwing hammers at the end of the match, there will be upside-down frisbees everywhere. Unless your robot is climbing, this could the last thirty seconds extremely difficult

[cmrnpizzo14]

Would it be illegal for the human player to bring something into the station to stand on? A 1 foot high wooden box to stand on could make a huge difference. I can't see any real problems with this, but I have a feeling that there is a rule against it somewhere....

[engunneer]

I am quite certain that would be illegal. What would prevent a team having students on stilts?

[StevenB]

Whoa! Too much speculation! Time to read the manual.

Originally Posted by FRC Game Manual, G36

During the MATCH, TEAMS must be within their ALLIANCE STATION. Exceptions will be granted for inadvertent or inconsequential infractions and in cases concerning safety.
Violation: FOUL

Originally Posted by FRC Game Manual, Section 2.2.6

The ALLIANCE STATION extends 10 ft. back from the ALLIANCE WALL, and spans the entire width of the wall.

Look at the diagram in section 2.2.2.

Originally Posted by cmrnpizzo14

Would it be illegal for the human player to bring something into the station to stand on? A 1 foot high wooden box to stand on could make a huge difference. I can't see any real problems with this, but I have a feeling that there is a rule against it somewhere....

Originally Posted by FRC Game Manual, T22

The only equipment that may be brought in to the ALLIANCE STATION are as follows:
A) the OPERATOR CONSOLE,
B) non-powered signaling devices,
C) reasonable decorative items,
D) special clothing and/or equipment required due to a disability
E) devices used solely for the purpose of planning or tracking strategy...

Like previous years, special equipment for the human player is not allowed.

[JJackson]

We have been able to get Frisbees into the 3 point goal successfully with the pyramid where it goes(We've been throwing from 1-2' behind the feeder station). However, 2 point shots are much easier. I believe the human player will be able to make a great impact this year.

By the way human players could and did change the outcome of matches last year as well. Finals match 2 at QCR our human player got the regional winning basket.

[Grim Tuesday]

Originally Posted by Tyler Olds

I predict this year that more colored disks will land in the opponet alliance's pyramid goal then the team's alliance pyramid goal.

G17
An ALLIANCE may not put DISCS in their opponents’ PYRAMID GOAL.

Violation: TECHNICAL FOUL per DISC.

-The Manual

[EricLeifermann]

Originally Posted by Grim Tuesday

-The Manual

It will be unintentional. He isn't saying that HP's are just going to purposefully throw colored discs into the wrong pyramid goal.

[Tyler Olds]

Originally Posted by Tyler Olds

I predict this year that more colored disks will land in the opponet alliance's pyramid goal then the team's alliance pyramid goal.

Originally Posted by Grim Tuesday

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G17
An ALLIANCE may not put DISCS in their opponents’ PYRAMID GOAL.

Violation: TECHNICAL FOUL per DISC.

The Manual

Emphasis Mine

I said will land; this has nothing to do with the manual or a strategy. It is entirely plausible that disks thrown by a HP will land in the opponents pyramid goal while attempting to score on their own which would cause technical fouls.

[Michael Corsetto]

To those who speculate on this, you need to try it out yourself. Set up a mark on an outside wall and put a feeder station wall the appropriate distance away.

Keeping the blocking pyramid in mind, I think you will be surprised with how many shots you can make.

I can make maybe 30% 3pt shots, and I'm honestly not that great at frisbee, especially the hammer. But at the 54 ft mark, the frisbee flattens out very nicely to slide into the goal upside-down when using the hammer technique.

I know video or it didn't happen, but our HP is shooting 60% high goal.

In a game where I doubt 50% of discs will be used in all but the most competitive matches, it's going to be a busy 30 seconds for the HP...

Anyone want to hire this guy?

-Mike

[Justin Shelley]

I can see human players making shots in practice. In competition there will be added stress and then there's the question of whether or not any frisbees will be left to throw with? Also to teams that said they can score what percentage are you making at 2pt and 3pt