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Re: top ten best teams in FIRST

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Not in order:
67
111
71
469
254
1114
2056
233
1717
16
148
118

More then ten teams, it is hard to rank the teams are we talking about all time best or last year?
No 217?
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Re: top ten best teams in FIRST

The 2 teams I keep seeing NOT on the list.
25 and 987.
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Alright, Andrew and Ian, I think your statistics skills may be needed here. There might not be enough data going back far enough to do this but...

A 4* year moving average of OPR ranking, CCWM ranking, match win percentage and/or event win percentage (including divisions and Einstein) would be an interesting way too look at trends in team competitiveness. This evens out teams that had one really amazing year, and also top teams that had an "off" year (eg, 1114 only won one regional in 2009).

I suspect the teams that we'll see at the top are the ones already being talked about, but there might be a few surprises. I think it's at least a more statistically significant calculation of the "best" teams (from a competition standpoint) over time.

*I pick 4 because it's the maximum turnover time for a high school student on a team. Other time blocks could be used
Remind me after the season and we'll grab the data and we'll see what we can do for this sort of thing. I know Zondag has some interesting stuff with weighted averages in his spreadsheet (linked earlier by BJC I think). I think it'd be interesting to see how it moves over time more than anything.
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Re: top ten best teams in FIRST

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No 217?
And no 233? You cannot make an honest top FIRST list of any kind without having 233 on it.
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Re: top ten best teams in FIRST

I'm not too familiar with the teams up north but in ark-la-Tex its something like this. (Might be leaving some out)

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57
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Re: top ten best teams in FIRST

No one agrees on the rankings? Where have I seen that before?

Any team listed in this thread is great. I'll post my Top 5 below, in numerical order.

16- Always creative, always successful. They take an "outside the box idea" and execute to the point where it becomes an I can't believe "I didn't think of that idea".

67- Dominating designs, dominating strategies, perfect execution

254- Their robots are show pieces and they function as good as they look

1114- Strategic experts. Robots do exactly what they are designed to do, no more, no less. They keep it simple to the point of elegance.

2056- I believe they are the pinnacle of FRC right now. They are the perfect mix of the teams I've mentioned above. They learned from the best and as a result haven't lost a regional.
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Re: top ten best teams in FIRST

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This doesn't answer the question of the thread, but taking a look at recent FRC history, here's an OPR-based ranking of FRC Teams over the past 5 years (2008-2012):
1114
2056
67
987
254
25
111
1717
330
469
217

I took the average of the z-scores of the average of the teams' event OPRs. Unweighted by year or event, but each year was standardised so the data could be combined. It gave this top 11. I made it a top 11 because 217 and 469 were pretty close and there was a pretty big gap after 217. I only have easy access to the past 5 years of data. 1114 and 2056 were ahead of the pack by far. As for OPR, I think it's more trustworthy than any other easily accessible measure of success. You can find a more detailed break-down on CD-Media. That includes methodology, a summary of the more interesting data points, and the spreadsheet with ALL the teams.
There are of course, three kinds of lies.......

How about this stat?:
6 years IN A ROW on Einstein. (2006 - 2011)
Two Championships in the modern era with a much higher level of competitiveness. (2007, 2010)

Not only left off of many lists, but ranked low on most.

See if you can name this dominant team and what your ranked teams bring to the table as evidence of outstanding performance that can compare.

That being said....
the best team is the one that your are on.
It really is about so much more than the robot.

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Re: top ten best teams in FIRST

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There are of course, three kinds of lies.......

How about this stat?:
6 years IN A ROW on Einstein. (2006 - 2011)
Two Championships in the modern era with a much higher level of competitiveness. (2007, 2010)

Not only left off of many lists, but ranked low on most.

See if you can name this dominant team and what your ranked teams bring to the table as evidence of outstanding performance that can compare.

That being said....
the best team is the one that your are on.
It really is about so much more than the robot.

25 days to ship!!!!!
177 of course, they've shown in this thread a few times already.

When we're discussing dominant robots, I think one of the most dominant robots that didn't win a Championship was 25's 2006 machine. It lost 1 qualifying match the entire season (a match on Newton), its other losses all came during the Championship playoffs (most of them on Einstein).

Has any team gone undefeated in qualifying for the entire season?
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Has any team gone undefeated in qualifying for the entire season?
476, 3293, 2869 last year (though they only attended 1 regional)
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Re: top ten best teams in FIRST

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177 of course, they've shown in this thread a few times already.

Has any team gone undefeated in qualifying for the entire season?
Durning the 2012 Season, 987 High Rollers went undefeated in not only one event but two. And almost went undefeated on curie (they lost one match).
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Re: top ten best teams in FIRST

1114 took a undefeated season deep into Champs in 2010. 1 qualifying lost to 469/111 and two more in the Einstein finals.
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Has any team gone undefeated in qualifying for the entire season?
Technically 1114 wasn't undefeated when they entered the Einstein finals with a 66-1-2 record, but they could have had 67 wins and 0 losses until that point if they hadn't lost on purpose in qualification match 100 on the 2010 Curie Division. And if you're wondering why they lost that match on purpose it was probably the safest thing for 1114 to do to lock up the #1 seed on Curie. That's just how the ranking system worked that year.
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Durning the 2012 Season, 987 High Rollers went undefeated in not only one event but two. And almost went undefeated on curie (they lost one match).
40-0 up to the last Curie qual. If I remember correctly we lost that last match by 4 points because we opted for the coop bridge
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Durning the 2012 Season, 987 High Rollers went undefeated in not only one event but two. And almost went undefeated on curie (they lost one match).
Omg they did what we did in 06.
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Omg they did what we did in 06.
We beat you

Actually 111 beat you.
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