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Re: Team 100 Progress...

Very impressive rig.

However....is it executing a valid climb in the video? I ask this because I suspect that it is not. First, the climber is shown touching Level 0 (the ground), Level 1, and Level 2, simultaneously. Later, at about the 15 second point, it is shown touching Level 1, Level 2, and Level 3 simultaneously.

I say valid, not illegal, because these actions would simply invalidate a climb (resulting in zero climb points), and not result in penalty points. I suspect your dumping the 20 points into to the top goal would still be valid.

I strongly suggest that you review Rule 3.1.5.2, CLIMB Points, especially the "B" sentence.

"A ROBOT has CLIMBED its PYRAMID if it contacts the PYRAMID and/or the floor (Level 0) in

A.sequential order (Level 0, 1, 2, 3) during ascent and
B.no more than two (2) Levels simultaneously.

If a CLIMB is considered unacceptable (e.g. a ROBOT has touched non-adjacent Levels or more than two (2) Levels at a time), a Referee will indicate a rejected CLIMB by turning the offending ROBOT’S PLAYER STATION LED strings yellow. The ROBOT will be ineligible for CLIMB points unless and until it begins a new CLIMB from the floor, Level 0. "

Sorry if I am raining on your parade. Hopefully, others here can either confirm or contradict my observation.
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Re: Team 100 Progress...

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Very impressive rig.

However....is it executing a valid climb in the video? I ask this because I suspect that it is not. First, the climber is shown touching Level 0 (the ground), Level 1, and Level 2, simultaneously. Later, at about the 15 second point, it is shown touching Level 1, Level 2, and Level 3 simultaneously.

I say valid, not illegal, because these actions would simply invalidate a climb (resulting in zero climb points), and not result in penalty points. I suspect your dumping the 20 points into to the top goal would still be valid.

I strongly suggest that you review Rule 3.1.5.2, CLIMB Points, especially the "B" sentence.

"A ROBOT has CLIMBED its PYRAMID if it contacts the PYRAMID and/or the floor (Level 0) in

A.sequential order (Level 0, 1, 2, 3) during ascent and
B.no more than two (2) Levels simultaneously.

If a CLIMB is considered unacceptable (e.g. a ROBOT has touched non-adjacent Levels or more than two (2) Levels at a time), a Referee will indicate a rejected CLIMB by turning the offending ROBOT’S PLAYER STATION LED strings yellow. The ROBOT will be ineligible for CLIMB points unless and until it begins a new CLIMB from the floor, Level 0. "

Sorry if I am raining on your parade. Hopefully, others here can either confirm or contradict my observation.
Verrrrrry rickety prototype.

We might be testing the real one today.

Short answer: no. You have to look very closely, the robot occupies three zones at many points in the climb, but it never touches more than two. At 15 it is not touching level three, this is probably just perspective because the top of the elevator is actually 8" away from the pole, in no danger of invalidating.
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Re: Team 100 Progress...

Hmmm....ok. I can see how that can be the case.

I recommend that you do what you can to educate the referees with respect to your robot's expected climbing sequence, and how it may seem to be touching three zones, but is indeed only touching two. Close up inspection during Thursday climbs may help in this regard.

We also are designing a corner climber, and we modified our climbing sequence a bit to minimize the risk that we did not get an invalid climb either through our own error or through a mis-perception from a referee.

Best of luck.
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