Shooting full-court: The uprising of the human-loader shooters

[cmrnpizzo14]

Being able to block those shots will be a viable strategy in my opinion. It will be very tough, especially if the shooting teams are clever, but a robot that can extend up will be important. The question isn't necessarily CAN you shoot full court but HOW WELL can you do it. I see some teams supposedly being able to do it but not hitting more than 50%. If there is a team that can hit 80% or higher, they will be extremely deadly.

It will come down to the other things that those alliances can do, namely auto and climbing. Floor acquisition could be a game changer, especially in auto. A 30 point climber with a dumper could also be a huge deal. I don't think we have seen enough in week 0 to really tell how the game will go. I know, at least in the Finger Lakes area, that there are still a lot of teams looking extremely mediocre and probably several that are not showing their hands yet.

Also, how many teams have you actually seen in person shooting reliably full court?

Originally Posted by cmrnpizzo14

Also, how many teams have you actually seen in person shooting reliably full court?

I've lost count of the teams able to do full-court shots. While this does include a lot of teams with a 50-60% accuracy, I've seen many teams reach 90-95%, my own included (and we don't usually do that well).

One observation I've seen is that from the robots that have been shown (or that have been observed at private scrimmages), even average-joe teams can learn to make full-court shots easily once they tune their shooter.

[Donut]

A question on this since I didn't make it out to a scrimmage; how tall are most of these robots? Are most of the full court shooters already coming out around 60", so a team would need to raise up to block them? Or could a tall robot just park in front of them to block shots like this?

I still question how much this will happen in competition until I see it in week 1 (you know, defense and all), but I'd like to start brainstorming on an extension mechanism for our robot now after build ends rather than Friday of the regional if it's needed.

Originally Posted by Donut

A question on this since I didn't make it out to a scrimmage; how tall are most of these robots? Are most of the full court shooters already coming out around 60", so a team would need to raise up to block them? Or could a tall robot just park in front of them to block shots like this?

I still question how much this will happen in competition until I see it in week 1 (you know, defense and all), but I'd like to start brainstorming on an extension mechanism for our robot now after build ends rather than Friday of the regional if it's needed.

I've seen tall ones, I've seen shorter ones (such as ours). It all varies.

[XaulZan11]

Does anyone else think these full court shooters are 'bad' for Ultimate Assent?

That being said, I've never been one to turn down a boring or ugly win.

[cjl2625]

So could someone just simply lurk in the corner and intake/fire frisbees nonstop?

[Anupam Goli]

If teams are relying on this for their strategy, then they will have a bad time. Any robot that is sufficiently tall just has to stand in front of them to put some sort of pressure on them. Heck, my team has an arm that can be raised to the height that most shooters sit at.

[mikemat]

Originally Posted by Wing

If teams are relying on this for their strategy, then they will have a bad time. Any robot that is sufficiently tall just has to stand in front of them to put some sort of pressure on them. Heck, my team has an arm that can be raised to the height that most shooters sit at.

I think many teams went away from this strategy for that reason. I'm curious to see if the "Cross-court blocker" will become a robot class come selection time.

[JohnSchneider]

Originally Posted by mikemat

I think many teams went away from this strategy for that reason. I'm curious to see if the "Cross-court blocker" will become a robot class come selection time.

It doesnt need to even be a class. "Robot with sufficient space to mount a blocker over lunch" is the class

Originally Posted by Wing

If teams are relying on this for their strategy, then they will have a bad time. Any robot that is sufficiently tall just has to stand in front of them to put some sort of pressure on them. Heck, my team has an arm that can be raised to the height that most shooters sit at.

We've found with our relatively short robot, if anyone wants to get close enough to block us, we can easily rapid-foul them.

[JohnSchneider]

Originally Posted by Andrew Lawrence

We've found with our relatively short robot, if anyone wants to get close enough to block us, we can easily rapid-foul them.

Because that's not a penalty in itself

[mikemat]

Out of curiosity, do any of the full-court shooters know how far from the front of the robot your disks exceed the 84 inch mark?

[sammyjalex]

Originally Posted by Andrew Lawrence

We've found with our relatively short robot, if anyone wants to get close enough to block us, we can easily rapid-foul them.

Can you explain what you mean by 'we can easily rapid-foul them?' If you sit in your LOADING ZONE and a robot in front of you is 60" tall, where is the foul?

If you attempt to 'draw the foul,' you'll run into G-18-1, no?

G18-1


Strategies aimed solely at forcing the opposing ALLIANCE to violate a rule are not in the spirit of FRC and are not allowed. Rule violations forced in this manner will not result in assessment of a penalty on the target ALLIANCE .

Violation: TECHNICAL FOUL

[bgg]

Quick remedy for full court shooters--a low functioning robot starts 84" tall and its appendage/piece of plywood parks 18" in front of full court shooters and blocks 90+% of shots. The defensive bot can't leave out of its offensive zone but prevents any attempt at full court shooting. Perhaps a quick addition at lunchtime on Saturdays??

Originally Posted by sammyjalex

If you attempt to 'draw the foul,' you'll run into G-18-1, no?

But we're not the ones doing the action. It would involve our opponents coming towards us to block us, touching us, and getting fouled. If they want to block us, they foul us. That happened at a scrimmage today. We stand still, they come forwards and backwards. Would a team do this in a real match? Maybe. Not sure. I definitely wouldn't defend against a team I'm getting fouled on. But other teams may.