Shooting full-court: The uprising of the human-loader shooters

[Clinton Bolinger]

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery

2337 and 2992 also had ball deflectors that physically attached to the tower, but neither of them directed the balls at the goals.

We could actually direct balls into the goals and they would score on occasions, depending on how the balls would come off of the return.

We prototyped our deflector/diverter on 469s practice field, which was ironic.

"Steal from the best, design the rest." but give credit at least.

-Clinton-

[JohnFogarty]

Then there are those full court shooters who take full advantage of the rules of the protected zone.

[Lil' Lavery]

Originally Posted by John_1102

Then there are those full court shooters who take full advantage of the rules of the protected zone.

Then there are those blocking robots who take full advantage of <G18-1>.

[JohnSchneider]

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery

Then there are those blocking robots who take full advantage of <G18-1>.

I love the mass of people who don't understand that you trying to use the protected zone as a way of baiting your opponent is itself a foul.

[Anupam Goli]

Originally Posted by animenerdjohn

I love the mass of people who don't understand that you trying to use the protected zone as a way of baiting your opponent is itself a foul.

I can't wait to see a "troll bot" whose only job is to stand 6 inches from the protective zone.

[EricLeifermann]

Originally Posted by animenerdjohn

I love the mass of people who don't understand that you trying to use the protected zone as a way of baiting your opponent is itself a foul.

This is partially true as G30 states the opposite. That regardless of who initiates the contact. G18-1 will only prevent a team from hitting another robot repeatedly to take advantage of G30.

I would say that if you are close enough to be repeatedly hit with a G30 that you are WAY closer than you need to be to actually block a full court shot from most robots who can shoot full court.

[JohnSchneider]

The way I understand it,

If full-court-bot(FCB) is in the protected zone shooting , and defense bot (DB) comes to block its shot:

If FCB moves to go shoot at the pyramid and hits DB then the foul is DBs because FCB is just trying to play the game.

If FCB moves solely to trigger the penalty then goes back to shooting then the foul is on FCB because they aren't trying to play a game they're taking advantage of a rule (which is against the rules)

It's the "spirit and purpose of the rule" thing

Originally Posted by animenerdjohn

The way I understand it,

If full-court-bot(FCB) is in the protected zone shooting , and defense bot (DB) comes to block its shot:

If FCB moves to go shoot at the pyramid and hits DB then the foul is DBs because FCB is just trying to play the game.

If FCB moves solely to trigger the penalty then goes back to shooting then the foul is on FCB because they aren't trying to play a game they're taking advantage of a rule (which is against the rules)

It's the "spirit and purpose of the rule" thing

Makes perfect sense to me, but how would an official know that FCB is just trying to get to the pyramid to make a shot? I guess by seeing that the bot goes to the pyramid, but that could still be considered intentional contact.

[JohnSchneider]

Originally Posted by Andrew Lawrence

Makes perfect sense to me, but how would an official know that FCB is just trying to get to the pyramid to make a shot? I guess by seeing that the bot goes to the pyramid, but that could still be considered intentional contact.

There are a ton of discression based rules. Best to practice caution. But if I was a red and I saw FCB jerk forwards touch DB and then jerk back to shoot again I wouldn't call a foul on DB under the aforementioned guidelines

[Anupam Goli]

Originally Posted by Andrew Lawrence

Makes perfect sense to me, but how would an official know that FCB is just trying to get to the pyramid to make a shot? I guess by seeing that the bot goes to the pyramid, but that could still be considered intentional contact.

At that point it would be a judgement call. if the referee saw an attempt to evade, then it would be unintentional, but if they rammed right into the bot, then that could be seen as intentional.

[JohnSchneider]

If the defense is not moving they shouldn't be eligible for a foul. From an interpretation standpoint.

Again we should keep in mind these are voulenteer s and so your results may varry and it may be best to air on the side of caution

[dodar]

Originally Posted by animenerdjohn

If the defense is not moving they shouldn't be eligible for a foul. From an interpretation standpoint.

Again we should keep in mind these are voulenteer s and so your results may varry and it may be best to air on the side of caution

If the defense isnt moving, they are purposefully trying to impede the flow of the game; unless the robot is broke and/or e-stopped.

[JohnSchneider]

Originally Posted by dodar

If the defense isnt moving, they are purposefully trying to impede the flow of the game; unless the robot is broke and/or e-stopped.

Then what other qualification do you use to determine if the full court shooter or the defender is committing the foul.

[dodar]

Originally Posted by animenerdjohn

The way I understand it,

If full-court-bot(FCB) is in the protected zone shooting , and defense bot (DB) comes to block its shot:

If FCB moves to go shoot at the pyramid and hits DB then the foul is DBs because FCB is just trying to play the game.

If FCB moves solely to trigger the penalty then goes back to shooting then the foul is on FCB because they aren't trying to play a game they're taking advantage of a rule (which is against the rules)

It's the "spirit and purpose of the rule" thing

You use this. I dont see how this isnt easily understandable.

[EricLeifermann]

Originally Posted by dodar

You use this. I dont see how this isnt easily understandable.

I can almost guarantee that it will be called the same way it was last year with the lanes and the key. If you are touching the pyramid or loading zone and someone is playing defense close enough by that you can touch them while still touching the loading zone or pyramid, they will get a penalty every time as long you don't abuse it and hit them repeatedly over and over in a short time span, that is when G18-1 will come into play and not a second sooner.