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Re: Event Predictions

Any team irresponsible enough to fire Frisbees in a crowded pit should be put on probation and asked to leave if they do it again. Such blatant regard for the safety of the other teams and guest should not be tolerated.
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Re: Event Predictions

I hope event staff will keep in mind the necessity of a place to go and shoot frisbees that isn't the practice or playing field. I agree the pit isn't the place for that, however dialing in shooters will be a never ending process for a lot of teams that can't wait 3 hours for their 5 minute shot at the practice field. Half the Orlando and KSC event used to be outside, which would be great to just go find a clear area to tweak. However the last few years we've been locked in I think to keep food and drinks out. But this year you're gonna have a problem with the tweakers. I'm thinking of the queuing area at UCF since its big and usually empty have kids in the stands and shoot them out that way??? Dunno...
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Re: Event Predictions

My prediction is that the natural tendency of entropy to increase will be clearly evident during most, if not all, regional competitions.
By the time teams get to Championship they will probably have figured out a way to prevent this.
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and I've seen a ref take a point blank shot to the face with a soccer ball hard enough to knock his glasses off but he was relatively unhurt
And Dean Kamen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnE0j69_gYk .

Seriously though, this is probably the year where safety is most important, and teams need to be really careful. Mandatory hard hats for refs might be something that needs to be in place. The drive teams will be behind a big wall so that shouldn't be so bad, but I would be worried about the people at field level who aren't necessarily paying attention to everything.
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Maybe it'd be a good idea to park a Green shirt by the practice field to keep the peace.
This. This is actually the best way to keep everyone safe. We're talking about teenagers here. The only guarantee of safety is fear of prosecution, and some of the green shirts are really scary looking.
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I'll be a ref for the first time this year - I was thinking of going with one of these
I think this might be a better bet.
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I think this might be a better bet.
It's a shame that these aren't currently in stock.
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Re: Event Predictions

I don't see why teams wouldn't be intelligent and bring a bedsheet or something of that variety to hold up in front of their shooter when they want to test fire it in the pit. The sheet/blacket/quilt will absorb the energy and the Frisbee just drops. (I've tested this already.) Test fire all you want, just remember to be safe obviously.
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Re: Event Predictions

If you guys think Frisbees aren't safe, wait until next year when robots and humans are throwing javelins.
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Re: Event Predictions

Test firing in the pits is never safe and is never going to be allowed. Stop asking and stop claiming otherwise unless you want to tell me your foolproof plan for guaranteeing that a team won't miss the bedsheet, have the bedsheet come loose on shot 2 of a 4 shot volley, or some other mishap that will result in 6 oz. of hard plastic flying at headchopper height through the crowded pits.

The practice field can be safe because you can arrange things so that frisbees are flying at a solid wall with lots of open space around it and few people. Any other arrangement is asking for trouble.

Similarly, it's extremely unlikely that any event is going to arrange a second practice field for teams to practice firing frisbees on. There's already a practice field. If it's too busy, then it's your tough luck and you should have finished and tuned your robot at home. The events are for competing and the small bits of practice and maintenance necessary for competing. They aren't and will never be an optimal place for building and developing an unfinished robot because there's a competition going on. You may as well complain that the event doesn't have a designated area for setting up a waterjet table so you can make upgraded plates to fix a problem on your shooter.

As an example of how non-optimal regionals are for development, full-field shooters aren't going to be able to do any effective development or tuning on the Lone Star practice field. For safety and practicality reasons, it's being set up as two half-fields with the goals backed by a nice large concrete wall. Consequently, full-field shooters should plan on doing their tuning on Thursday during practice matches.
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Re: Event Predictions

This has been an interesting thread to follow. Ever since the game was revealed, I've been thinking about some of the threads here in CD that have been written over the years. The threads that consisted of game designs and suggestions, involving game elements and game pieces.

I've gone back and read a few and I haven't come across much regarding safety. Lots of ideas tossed around about how much fun it would be for the teams but not much about how to create those games with safety as a strong consideration.

This is an opportunity for people who ordinarily don't think about the aspects of safety, and its impact - to create discussions within their teams.

Edit: I'll add this here instead of creating another post.
Practice fields always seem like an afterthought. They are provided for the teams and they are manned by volunteers. In my opinion, training for the volunteers has to be involved with managing the field and allowing teams access to it to work on different aspects of their robot or the game. I also think the human player is given very little consideration on the practice field and it is important to provide an appropriate area where the game piece can be handled by the human player.

In discussing this with different people and at different events, I have been told that space is always a problem. If it is a problem, then work to find a solution. I'm not big on ignoring the value of the human player or the game piece in the human player's possession.

My final thought on the practice field: you have to be able to say no and not be afraid to be the bad guy if you are going to be a volunteer on the practice field. When I've worked with teams that included students and mentors talking with me, they have been helpful, attentive, and cooperative - even while having to wait for a long time in line for just a few minutes on the practice field that has been provided as an afterthought, more or less. That has been my experience.

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Maybe it'd be a good idea to park a Green shirt by the practice field to keep the peace.
I agree. I can only speak for Boston as their VC but I'm going to ask our 'green shirts' (safety advisors, for those of you not in-the-know) to keep an eye on the practice field - as well as staff it with extra volunteers to make sure everyone is being responsible.

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I hope event staff will keep in mind the necessity of a place to go and shoot frisbees that isn't the practice or playing field.
Boston's practice field is in a lucky spot - a loading dock for the arena - so we'll probably set up the goals facing out of the venue, towards the wall. Hopefully that will be enough - we do not have a full-size practice field but we also aren't in Florida, so we can't just tell kids to go outside in the middle of March.

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Any team irresponsible enough to fire Frisbees in a crowded pit should be put on probation and asked to leave if they do it again. Such blatant regard for the safety of the other teams and guest should not be tolerated.
Agreed. Once again, I can only speak for Boston but this is probably going to be the case for us.

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And Dean Kamen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnE0j69_gYk .

Seriously though, this is probably the year where safety is most important, and teams need to be really careful.
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The main thought behind how you/your team behaves at events as far as testing in crowded areas can be summed up in 1923's #1 shop rule: "Don't be dumb. If you're thinking about doing something, stop and ask yourself, is this a dumb idea?"

I really, really REALLY hope it doesn't come down to constant intervention by event staff. Things like "please don't test-fire your shooter in the pit" shouldn't ever have to come out of our mouths.
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