Team UPDATE - 2013-02-22

[Kevin Sevcik]

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised at the lack of outrage at this game change, since it helps teams score more frisbess more easily. Despite the fact that many of the arguments against the HP change apply here. Namely, teams knew or should have know about the bounce problem, and several teams did account for this in their designs and tuning. So now the teams that were clever enough to not hurl point blank shots at warp speed have lost the advantage that their cleverness should have given them.

Yes, it's not as sweeping a change as the HP ruling, but I'm getting the vibe that any change the GDC makes to make shooting easier is going to be hailed as an great improvement to the game. As opposed to the late season game change that it actually is.

[AllenGregoryIV]

Originally Posted by Kevin Sevcik

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised at the lack of outrage at this game change, since it helps teams score more frisbess more easily. Despite the fact that many of the arguments against the HP change apply here. Namely, teams knew or should have know about the bounce problem, and several teams did account for this in their designs and tuning. So now the teams that were clever enough to not hurl point blank shots at warp speed have lost the advantage that their cleverness should have given them.

Yes, it's not as sweeping a change as the HP ruling, but I'm getting the vibe that any change the GDC makes to make shooting easier is going to be hailed as an great improvement to the game. As opposed to the late season game change that it actually is.

I think the biggest difference is most people don't see this as something being taken away from them. I think that was the main reason for the reactions (including mine) of the previous game change. I doubt many people thought that by having their discs not bounce out that it would be a direct advantage over other teams (as we don't know that all the other teams didn't also figure it out).

[Travis Covington]

Originally Posted by Kevin Sevcik

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised at the lack of outrage at this game change, since it helps teams score more frisbess more easily. Despite the fact that many of the arguments against the HP change apply here. Namely, teams knew or should have know about the bounce problem, and several teams did account for this in their designs and tuning. So now the teams that were clever enough to not hurl point blank shots at warp speed have lost the advantage that their cleverness should have given them.

Yes, it's not as sweeping a change as the HP ruling, but I'm getting the vibe that any change the GDC makes to make shooting easier is going to be hailed as an great improvement to the game. As opposed to the late season game change that it actually is.

You are assuming this change was made because of the Frisbees falling out (which also still may be partially true). I actually think it has more to do with the chains swinging up and getting caught on the basket mounting bar where the goals are supported/weighed from (something we noticed happening on our official field). This addition will help prevent that, and will also likely help enable a more consistent match to match cycle time.

[Bill_B]

I did notice the chain bottoms tied together at Suffield. I dismissed it as a change because I had not studied the goals' construction in detail. Later in the day I also noted numerous field resetters on stepladders as they straightened out the chains. I saw several disks bounce out on both HP shots and robot shots. I guess I favor the suppression of dislocated chains as the reason for the change. I don't know if there was a net savings of reset time with the bottom-tied chains.

[Travis Covington]

Originally Posted by Bill_B

I don't know if there was a net savings of reset time with the bottom-tied chains.

Doesn't sound like it if they still had to fix them. Oh well.

[EricLeifermann]

Updated our chains, hasn't effected our shots....