Real-Time Scoring Not Working?

[Madison]

It appears that, at least from watching the Finger Lakes webcast, the real-time scoring system in the goals is not working well/at all.

Can anyone at an event corroborate?

FLR Match 12 saw the red alliance out 6+ discs into the 3 point goal in autonomous and they had a score of 0 coming into teleop. It was updated mid-match, but it worries me that they're tasking referees with the additional task of counting how many discs are scored.

[Cory]

Supposedly there is a camera taking a snapshot of the goals after auton. Presumably the scorekeeper or some kind of assistant reviews that snapshot, not a referee.

[Akash Rastogi]

Originally Posted by Cory

Supposedly there is a camera taking a snapshot of the goals after auton. Presumably the scorekeeper or some kind of assistant reviews that snapshot, not a referee.

That's interesting. Do you know where/what angle the camera is placed at? Just wondering if they can correctly see if discs are stacked or not.

[Cory]

Originally Posted by Akash Rastogi

That's interesting. Do you know where/what angle the camera is placed at? Just wondering if they can correctly see if discs are stacked or not.

No idea. It was in Frank's Blog or something like that, a few days ago.

[Lil' Lavery]

Is there actually a camera? I believe the blog post just used the word "snapshot," but didn't actually specify a camera. I interpreted that to mean they're just going to note how many discs were scored in the goals at the end of autonomous.

[Cory]

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery

Is there actually a camera? I believe the blog post just used the word "snapshot," but didn't actually specify a camera. I interpreted that to mean they're just going to note how many discs were scored in the goals at the end of autonomous.

Good point. Someone is probably counting then...awesome.

[Hallry]

Originally Posted by Cory

Good point. Someone is probably counting then...awesome.

They did say there wouldn't be a delay between autonomous and teleop:

We know how important it is that the scores are correct, so we will be verifying disc counts manually at the end of the autonomous period, and at the end of the match. There will be no extra pause in gameplay between Autonomous and Teleop, but the folks checking the count will be taking a ‘snapshot’ of the number of discs in the goals before Teleop starts.

[Racer26]

Originally Posted by Hallry

They did say there wouldn't be a delay between autonomous and teleop:

I think what Cory is getting at is that once again, ensuring the auto score is correct is left to humans, which thanks to our fallibility, means that inevitably someone will make a mistake that affects the outcome of a match. Seriously; by now, FIRST should be able to design games that can be scored automatically, and accurately, with no room for human error.

[joelg236]

I've seen scores flicker for entire matches.

[Racer26]

Originally Posted by joelg236

I've even scores flicker for entire matches.

Watching NYRO a minute ago, shortly after auto, the score was flickering 0-33 to 0-30, and then a few seconds later, it was 18-18.

So far, I'm totally unimpressed by the realtime scoring for this game.

[mathking]

There certainly seem to be problems. I too noticed the score flickering from 17 to 18 and back for one side in the last FLR match. Lots of trouble with autonomous scoring as well. Perhaps they could consider a manual/visual counting system while still taking the 'snapshot' into account.

[Racer26]

aaaand FLR just had RTS fly to 147 for blue there before they took it off the screen.

[gyroscopeRaptor]

FLR just flashed above 300. This is pretty bad.

[joelg236]

Yup...

[Robotmmm]

Here in Palmetto the scoring is awful. High score so far according to system was 1008 and not a single robot shot a disk. Like that in so many matches. Seems like even when it is corrected that it is still not right.