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Re: 2013 Greater Toronto East Regional

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Originally Posted by Atonomous View Post
The alliance pick by 2056 to team up with 1114 was boring, and I for one though that this early in the game they would have chosen to play against each other to gain experience and game play knowledge instead of the "steam roller" dominance that you chose.
This year, both teams built wildly different robots, on a scale that hasn't been seen since 2009. Since then, both teams have built different robots that have done the same tasks. But this year they (unwittingly) built complementary robots. The same kind of complementary robots that they would team up with at Worlds. These two teams built Einstein calibre robots, but to get there, they need to work with teams with different skill-sets. 2056 and 1114 were getting game-play knowledge... but not for regional play. For Einstein play. Being able to interface with other robots of differing skill sets is the key to becoming World Champs. And that takes practice.

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Shame on you both for just grabbing yet another regional win. That is not what I would expect of the high calibre teams that you are. As far as I am concerned, it was a hollow meaningless regional win.
Is it hollow to set a world high score, and then break it, and then break it again? Is it hollow for 1325, whose autonomous mode helped keep the red alliance in the game after blue pulled ahead in finals-2? Is it hollow for 2056 to not want to lose, to continue the streak that has put them on the map and made them a household name? Is it hollow for 2056 to go undefeated at a regional, a feat not accomplished by teams like 118, 148, 254, 2826, 67, 610, 1114? All of these are huge victories that in some ways eclipse a regional title.

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Let me explain....Both teams knew that one of them was going to win this regional, this is a given. Neither of them needed the win to qualify for worlds. It could have been a mutual learning experience that both of them missed. Instead they chose the safe route. Flame on, my heat shields are up and ready.
Let me phrase this another way: both of these teams have sponsors. These sponsors expect that they are sponsoring winning robots. These sponsors are very involved and very interested in how these teams do. Say 2056 doesn't choose 1114, and then loses to them in the finals. They have to go to their sponsors and explain why they set up their own defeat. That they basically sabotaged their own winning effort, and that they threw away a streak that is 7 years in the making. I'd imagine those sponsors would think twice about giving money next year. I know I would.

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When looking at 1114 and 2056, you have to acknowledge that they're simply on a different plane than the rest of us. Even amongst powerhouses, they stand as strong teams. They don't play the "let's get to Worlds" game that the vast majority of FIRST plays. They play the "let's be continuous Einstein contenders." To do this means to take their machines to the very limit, a limit best explored by working with a like-minded team.
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