Floor pickup Vs. feeder station

[Gregor]

Originally Posted by JosephC

Ground pickup > Feeder pickup

My proof? Go ask 2056.

It was a shallow week 2 regional. I would ask them after Waterloo.

[JosephC]

Originally Posted by Gregor

It was a shallow week 2 regional. I would ask them after Waterloo.

Regardless; they hold the highest score in FRC; but your right, we'll see in Waterloo.

Teams with ground intake have been doing well (2056, 1986, 70, etc.), but then again so have teams without a ground intake (610, 1114, 862, etc.) As Paul Copioli said previously; there will be exceptional teams in both categories.

[Botwoon]

Originally Posted by JosephC

Ground pickup > Feeder pickup

My proof? Go ask 2056.

2056 also won GTR paired up with 1114, who was a star human-loader. 118 and 148 won at lone star with an identical arrangement.

Having more than a single fast floor loader is almost a waste, for lack of a better phrase, as a single robot on par with 2056/118/254 in terms of pickup speed is going to clear the field extremely rapidly. This is especially true in eliminations, where the majority of disks aren't ending up on the floor.

[1493kd]

Originally Posted by MooreteP

Here is some video of two floor pickup systems.
Team 1493, The Falcons, had one of the most amusing systems.
Team 20, The Rocketeers, had one of the best.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EX_oYPh8kI

Is "amusing" good? Im going to assume that its a good thing. Yes it was not the most effective pick up method. We really wanted one just like 20 but we could not get it working great on carpet and we had an old vac setup from our ball control system for the soccer game. We were amazing how well it sucked up the pieces.

We were really happy with how it worked out. We never once had to go to the other side of the field and never could not find discs to pick up.Plus you get the added protection of the tower near you and so many teams are scared to go near you. Could we have done it faster and more effective...Yes.. But for a team that tends to struggle we feel like we nailed our game plan this year. Id say floor loading is the way to go. Good defense can slow down station loaders to easy. Unless you start seeing "lineman" style bots that set picks/blocks for teams to make it to the station.

Thank you for the video BTW

[Cory]

Originally Posted by Botwoon

2056 also won GTR paired up with 1114, who was a star human-loader. 118 and 148 won at lone star with an identical arrangement.

Having more than a single fast floor loader is almost a waste, for lack of a better phrase, as a single robot on par with 2056/118/254 in terms of pickup speed is going to clear the field extremely rapidly. This is especially true in eliminations, where the majority of disks aren't ending up on the floor.

Not true. It can give you a 12 point advantage in autonomous.

[MooreteP]

Originally Posted by 1493kd

Is "amusing" good? Im going to assume that its a good thing. Yes it was not the most effective pick up method. We really wanted one just like 20 but we could not get it working great on carpet and we had an old vac setup from our ball control system for the soccer game. We were amazing how well it sucked up the pieces.

Thank you for the video BTW

I should have said fascinating. I was thoroughly entertained by your system and also how quickly you could shoot the frisbees that you picked up. You could also troll under the pyramid, which 20 could not. Impressive work.

I picked that match to video your robot, then I noticed that 20 was also in the match and thought: Jackpot! two for one."

[Jeffy]

Originally Posted by Cory

Not true. It can give you a 12 point advantage in autonomous.

I expect teams like 1114 and 610 to have a counter for that as well.

[NotaJoke]

Originally Posted by Jeffy

I expect teams like 1114 and 610 to have a counter for that as well.

They do. Both teams had planned on floorloading this season.

Edit: didn't mean to start a debate, I do not know the inner workings of these teams, only rumors from unreliable sources.

[JosephC]

Originally Posted by NotaJoke

They do. Both teams are planning on adding their own floor loading system at some point during this season.

Do you actually know this or are you just speculating?

[Gregor]

Originally Posted by NotaJoke

Both designs intentionally left space to add floor loading eventually. 610 also has a PTO pulling all the motors from their drive to 'something else'. I have little doubt we will see them at the top of the pyramid soon enough.

So yes, you are speculating. Frankly I see no space on either of those robots for a floor pickup while staying <30". Please don't state things as facts that you don't know are true. Also, what does 610's PTO have to do with floor pickup?

[JosephC]

Originally Posted by NotaJoke

Both designs intentionally left space to add floor loading eventually. 610 also has a PTO pulling all the motors from their drive to 'something else'. I have little doubt we will see them at the top of the pyramid soon enough.

Just because a team has space for a ground intake doesn't mean they have the weight.

[Nick Lawrence]

-Nick

[Cory]

Originally Posted by NotaJoke

Both designs intentionally left space to add floor loading eventually. 610 also has a PTO pulling all the motors from their drive to 'something else'. I have little doubt we will see them at the top of the pyramid soon enough.

I'm 100% certain you have no idea what either team is doing and that you are wrong that they will add floor intakes. It is incredibly hard to integrate something like that into the robot without provisioning for it in the first place.

[NotaJoke]

Originally Posted by Cory

I'm 100% certain you have no idea what either team is doing and that you are wrong that they will add floor intakes.

You're right, I am sorry

[Tom Line]

Originally Posted by karomata

Floor pickup. Every missed frisbee will end up on the ground, so the floor will be littered frisbees.

I think at the highest echelon of game play, you will be shocked at how few frisbees will be missed and how few will be on the floor.

The primary reason to install a ground pickup is to enable increased auton scores.

In time studies we did at Waterford, we saw differences in timing between wall pickup and floor feed, but not as much as you would initially guess. The only pickup point that saved substantial time is the grouping on the center line because you can drive through them linearly to pick them up.

Ground pickups have an added advantage. They are complimentary to full-field shooters. However, full-field shooters have already been largely negated, so that point is arguable.

We're looking at a ground feed to add to our auton score. We've been looking all season, but this is the first point at which we've been able to focus on it. Those auton frisbees are critical at double points.