Ontario/Quebec Rankings

[Racer26]

Figured I'd follow California, Texas, and Missouri/Kansas's lead, and do one of these for Ontario/Quebec.

The FIRST in Michigan rules supplement, which includes the points system, can be found here:MI Rules

My team list is ON/QC teams according to: 2013 Teams

I included results from NYRO, NHMA, ONTO, QCMO, NYNY, and PAPI, which I believe is everywhere that ON/QC teams have played. Someone correct me if I'm wrong on that.

Team	ONTO	QCMO	NHMA	NYRO	NYNY	PAPI	Total
3387	24	64					88
3386	18	60					78
2056	75						75
1114	74						74
3985	20	53					73
1503						71	71
610			69				69
3990		68					68
1075	22	40					62
4343	57						57
1241	56						56
3360		43	10				53
2809	26			21			47
3117		46					46
1325	44						44
2013	44						44
2626		44					44
3530	12	30					42
1547	40						40
4476	37						37
4718	35						35
2994	34						34
3396		34					34
3710		33					33
4001	33						33
771					32		32
3541	31						31
3977		30					30
772				27			27
4007		27					27
3996		26					26
4492		26					26
3986		25					25
3550	12	11					23
3983		23					23
296		22					22
3988	6	16					22
781	20						20
3543	19						19
2702		18					18
4526		18					18
865	15						15
4252	14						14
4015	12						12
4491		12					12
4727	12						12
4594		11					11
2852	10						10
3533		10					10
3544		10					10
3989		10					10
2185	9						9
3379		9					9
3382		8					8
3532		8					8
3975		8					8
3979		8					8
3987		8					8
4167		8					8
4808	8						8
3969		6					6
3981		6					6
4807	5						5
854							0
907				0			0
1305							0
1310							0
1334							0
1815							0
1846							0
2200							0
2386							0
2625							0
2634							0
2935							0
3161							0
3560							0
3571							0
3683							0
3705							0
3756							0
3949							0
4039							0
4069							0
4152							0
4200							0
4372							0
4518							0
4519							0
4525							0
4595							0
4618							0
4659							0
4678							0
4688							0
4699							0
4704							0
4716							0
4732							0
4754							0
4777							0
4783							0
4806							0
4814							0
4825							0

[akoscielski3]

If only we didn't die in three matches we would be a bit higher in the rankings

Should this not be average per regional? Since some teams went to 2 regionals their scores are much higher then that of teams that went to one regional. For example 1114 and 2056 have only gone to 1 regional, while 3387 and 3386 have went to two, making them have a higher ranking? Just a thought

Thanks for doing this

[Gregor]

771 competed at NYNY.

7-1 record, fourth alliance captain, quarter-finalists, and the Entrepreneurship award.

[CalTran]

For some reason, I find it amusing that 2056 is one point better than 1114.

[Racer26]

Originally Posted by Gregor

771 competed at NYNY.

7-1 record, fourth alliance captain, quarter-finalists, and the Entrepreneurship award.

Fixed in OP.

In other observations: Wow. That's a strong showing for 771.

[Gregor]

Originally Posted by Racer26

Fixed in OP.

In other observations: Wow. That's a strong showing for 771.

Very impressive. The top 5 seeds all had 7 wins, it went to tiebreak points.

[alex.lew]

Interesting to see how these rankings will stand after Waterloo and GTRWest. Those will be really entertaining to watch. My team was just commenting how Montreal would have been a fun regional, albeit expensive.

[BJC]

All these rankings give me an idea.

Why don't we do this ranking process for the whole world in order to see approximatly who would be able to go to the World Championship under a "district" points system? Simply double the number of points teams that only attend one regional get; it wouldn't be perfect by any stretch of the imagination but it would be very interesting to be able to run numbers on the prospective teams attending as compaired to the actual teams attending among other things.

While I don't have the time to do this myself I would be very interested in seeing it if someone else wanted to take it up; I'm sure lots of people would appreciate it.

Nice job with the rankings
Regards, Bryan

[minhnhatbui]

Originally Posted by akoscielski3

Should this not be average per regional? Since some teams went to 2 regionals their scores are much higher then that of teams that went to one regional. For example 1114 and 2056 have only gone to 1 regional, while 3387 and 3386 have went to two, making them have a higher ranking? Just a thought

The situation is quite different in Canada to use the same ranking rules as FiM. The latter is geared towards two district events per team at a minimum; in Canada, Ontarian teams might do two or all three events in Ontario, and in Quebec, all teams but 5-6 only participate in one event, the Montreal regionals. So, if a team decides to participate in a second event, it will automatically have an edge.

Not saying that 3386 and 3387 are not good teams - you should all have seen them in the Montreal regionals last week, they were more than amazing - but it's funny that they are ranked higher than 1114 and 2056.

We should make a ranking system for Canada just for fun!

[akoscielski3]

Oh sorry, at first I didn't realize this was the points for a district scoring system

[Racer26]

Originally Posted by minhnhatbui

The situation is quite different in Canada to use the same ranking rules as FiM. The latter is geared towards two district events per team at a minimum; in Canada, Ontarian teams might do two or all three events in Ontario, and in Quebec, all teams but 5-6 only participate in one event, the Montreal regionals. So, if a team decides to participate in a second event, it will automatically have an edge.

Not saying that 3386 and 3387 are not good teams - you should all have seen them in the Montreal regionals last week, they were more than amazing - but it's funny that they are ranked higher than 1114 and 2056.

We should make a ranking system for Canada just for fun!

Its understood that directly applying the FiM system to Canada doesn't properly account for teams that don't attend exactly two regionals.

I think calculating these rankings has become popular because it is expected that many regions will be converting to the District model (which will likely include a very FiM-like points system) in the next 1-3 years. Seeing how things might be different is an interesting exercise.

After this coming week, when 1114 and 2056 among others have played a second regional, then comparing them to 3387 and 3386 will make more sense. At this point, it really only makes sense to compare teams with the same number of regionals complete (so for 2 regionals, that would be 3387, 3386, 1075, 2809, 3360, 3985, 3530, 3550, 3988)

[Gaurav27]

Originally Posted by Racer26

Its understood that directly applying the FiM system to Canada doesn't properly account for teams that don't attend exactly two regionals.

I think calculating these rankings has become popular because it is expected that many regions will be converting to the District model (which will likely include a very FiM-like points system) in the next 1-3 years. Seeing how things might be different is an interesting exercise.

After this coming week, when 1114 and 2056 among others have played a second regional, then comparing them to 3387 and 3386 will make more sense. At this point, it really only makes sense to compare teams with the same number of regionals complete (so for 2 regionals, that would be 3387, 3386, 1075, 2809, 3360, 3985, 3530, 3550, 3988)

Originally Posted by BJC

All these rankings give me an idea.
Why don't we do this ranking process for the whole world in order to see approximatly who would be able to go to the World Championship under a "district" points system? Simply double the number of points teams that only attend one regional get; it wouldn't be perfect by any stretch of the imagination but it would be very interesting to be able to run numbers on the prospective teams attending as compaired to the actual teams attending among other things.

I see that many are crunching these numbers out in their respective regions and posting the results. For this thread, doing this provides a great deal of insight into a potential future for the District Points System to be in place across all provinces in Canada. As mentioned, we're probably talking within the next several years. At least for now, it will be really interesting to see how all this turns out after 3/4 more weeks of competition.

Great work Racer26!

[Racer26]

After Week 4, it looks like this:

I've added ONWA and MABO results.

Team	ONTO	QCMO	NHMA	NYRO	NYNY	PAPI	ONWA	MABO	Total
1114	74						73		147
2056	75						68		143
610			69				62		131
1241	56						44		100
3387	24	64							88
3386	18	60							78
2013	44							32	76
3985	20	53							73
1503						71			71
3990		68							68
1075	22	40							62
772				27			31		58
4343	57								57
2702		18					37		55
1310							54		54
3360		43	10						53
2852	10						41		51
781	20						27		47
2809	26			21					47
3117		46							46
1325	44								44
2626		44							44
4069							44		44
3530	12	30							42
1547	40								40
1334							37		37
4476	37								37
4718	35								35
2994	34								34
3396		34							34
3710		33							33
3756							33		33
4001	33								33
4039							33		33
771					32				32
3541	31								31
3977		30							30
3683							28		28
4007		27							27
3996		26							26
4492		26							26
3986		25							25
4519							25		25
3550	12	11							23
3983		23							23
4618							23		23
296		22							22
3161							22		22
3949							22		22
3988	6	16							22
3571							21		21
4152							21		21
3543	19								19
4526		18							18
865	15						2		17
4252	14								14
4525							14		14
4678							14		14
4015	12								12
4491		12							12
4727	12								12
2200							11		11
4594		11							11
1305							10		10
1846							10		10
3533		10							10
3544		10							10
3989		10							10
2185	9								9
2386							9		9
3379		9							9
2625							8		8
3382		8							8
3532		8							8
3975		8							8
3979		8							8
3987		8							8
4167		8							8
4200							8		8
4777							8		8
4808	8								8
3969		6							6
3981		6							6
4372							6		6
4807	5								5
854									0
907				0					0
1815									0
2634									0
2935									0
3560									0
3705									0
4518									0
4595									0
4659									0
4688									0
4699									0
4704									0
4716									0
4732									0
4754									0
4783									0
4806									0
4814									0
4825									0

[alex.lew]

Very impressive from all the traditional Canadian powerhouse teams!!

[Gregor]

Very impressed with 1503 and 3390, being ranked so high with only 1 event so far.