Ontario/Quebec Rankings

[akoscielski3]

If only we didn't die in three matches we would be a bit higher in the rankings

Should this not be average per regional? Since some teams went to 2 regionals their scores are much higher then that of teams that went to one regional. For example 1114 and 2056 have only gone to 1 regional, while 3387 and 3386 have went to two, making them have a higher ranking? Just a thought

Thanks for doing this

[Gregor]

771 competed at NYNY.

7-1 record, fourth alliance captain, quarter-finalists, and the Entrepreneurship award.

[Racer26]

Originally Posted by Gregor

771 competed at NYNY.

7-1 record, fourth alliance captain, quarter-finalists, and the Entrepreneurship award.

Fixed in OP.

In other observations: Wow. That's a strong showing for 771.

[Gregor]

Originally Posted by Racer26

Fixed in OP.

In other observations: Wow. That's a strong showing for 771.

Very impressive. The top 5 seeds all had 7 wins, it went to tiebreak points.

[alex.lew]

Interesting to see how these rankings will stand after Waterloo and GTRWest. Those will be really entertaining to watch. My team was just commenting how Montreal would have been a fun regional, albeit expensive.

[BJC]

All these rankings give me an idea.

Why don't we do this ranking process for the whole world in order to see approximatly who would be able to go to the World Championship under a "district" points system? Simply double the number of points teams that only attend one regional get; it wouldn't be perfect by any stretch of the imagination but it would be very interesting to be able to run numbers on the prospective teams attending as compaired to the actual teams attending among other things.

While I don't have the time to do this myself I would be very interested in seeing it if someone else wanted to take it up; I'm sure lots of people would appreciate it.

Nice job with the rankings
Regards, Bryan

[CalTran]

For some reason, I find it amusing that 2056 is one point better than 1114.

[minhnhatbui]

Originally Posted by akoscielski3

Should this not be average per regional? Since some teams went to 2 regionals their scores are much higher then that of teams that went to one regional. For example 1114 and 2056 have only gone to 1 regional, while 3387 and 3386 have went to two, making them have a higher ranking? Just a thought

The situation is quite different in Canada to use the same ranking rules as FiM. The latter is geared towards two district events per team at a minimum; in Canada, Ontarian teams might do two or all three events in Ontario, and in Quebec, all teams but 5-6 only participate in one event, the Montreal regionals. So, if a team decides to participate in a second event, it will automatically have an edge.

Not saying that 3386 and 3387 are not good teams - you should all have seen them in the Montreal regionals last week, they were more than amazing - but it's funny that they are ranked higher than 1114 and 2056.

We should make a ranking system for Canada just for fun!

[akoscielski3]

Oh sorry, at first I didn't realize this was the points for a district scoring system

[Racer26]

Originally Posted by minhnhatbui

The situation is quite different in Canada to use the same ranking rules as FiM. The latter is geared towards two district events per team at a minimum; in Canada, Ontarian teams might do two or all three events in Ontario, and in Quebec, all teams but 5-6 only participate in one event, the Montreal regionals. So, if a team decides to participate in a second event, it will automatically have an edge.

Not saying that 3386 and 3387 are not good teams - you should all have seen them in the Montreal regionals last week, they were more than amazing - but it's funny that they are ranked higher than 1114 and 2056.

We should make a ranking system for Canada just for fun!

Its understood that directly applying the FiM system to Canada doesn't properly account for teams that don't attend exactly two regionals.

I think calculating these rankings has become popular because it is expected that many regions will be converting to the District model (which will likely include a very FiM-like points system) in the next 1-3 years. Seeing how things might be different is an interesting exercise.

After this coming week, when 1114 and 2056 among others have played a second regional, then comparing them to 3387 and 3386 will make more sense. At this point, it really only makes sense to compare teams with the same number of regionals complete (so for 2 regionals, that would be 3387, 3386, 1075, 2809, 3360, 3985, 3530, 3550, 3988)

[Gaurav27]

Originally Posted by Racer26

Its understood that directly applying the FiM system to Canada doesn't properly account for teams that don't attend exactly two regionals.

I think calculating these rankings has become popular because it is expected that many regions will be converting to the District model (which will likely include a very FiM-like points system) in the next 1-3 years. Seeing how things might be different is an interesting exercise.

After this coming week, when 1114 and 2056 among others have played a second regional, then comparing them to 3387 and 3386 will make more sense. At this point, it really only makes sense to compare teams with the same number of regionals complete (so for 2 regionals, that would be 3387, 3386, 1075, 2809, 3360, 3985, 3530, 3550, 3988)

Originally Posted by BJC

All these rankings give me an idea.
Why don't we do this ranking process for the whole world in order to see approximatly who would be able to go to the World Championship under a "district" points system? Simply double the number of points teams that only attend one regional get; it wouldn't be perfect by any stretch of the imagination but it would be very interesting to be able to run numbers on the prospective teams attending as compaired to the actual teams attending among other things.

I see that many are crunching these numbers out in their respective regions and posting the results. For this thread, doing this provides a great deal of insight into a potential future for the District Points System to be in place across all provinces in Canada. As mentioned, we're probably talking within the next several years. At least for now, it will be really interesting to see how all this turns out after 3/4 more weeks of competition.

Great work Racer26!

[Racer26]

After Week 4, it looks like this:

I've added ONWA and MABO results.

Team	ONTO	QCMO	NHMA	NYRO	NYNY	PAPI	ONWA	MABO	Total
1114	74						73		147
2056	75						68		143
610			69				62		131
1241	56						44		100
3387	24	64							88
3386	18	60							78
2013	44							32	76
3985	20	53							73
1503						71			71
3990		68							68
1075	22	40							62
772				27			31		58
4343	57								57
2702		18					37		55
1310							54		54
3360		43	10						53
2852	10						41		51
781	20						27		47
2809	26			21					47
3117		46							46
1325	44								44
2626		44							44
4069							44		44
3530	12	30							42
1547	40								40
1334							37		37
4476	37								37
4718	35								35
2994	34								34
3396		34							34
3710		33							33
3756							33		33
4001	33								33
4039							33		33
771					32				32
3541	31								31
3977		30							30
3683							28		28
4007		27							27
3996		26							26
4492		26							26
3986		25							25
4519							25		25
3550	12	11							23
3983		23							23
4618							23		23
296		22							22
3161							22		22
3949							22		22
3988	6	16							22
3571							21		21
4152							21		21
3543	19								19
4526		18							18
865	15						2		17
4252	14								14
4525							14		14
4678							14		14
4015	12								12
4491		12							12
4727	12								12
2200							11		11
4594		11							11
1305							10		10
1846							10		10
3533		10							10
3544		10							10
3989		10							10
2185	9								9
2386							9		9
3379		9							9
2625							8		8
3382		8							8
3532		8							8
3975		8							8
3979		8							8
3987		8							8
4167		8							8
4200							8		8
4777							8		8
4808	8								8
3969		6							6
3981		6							6
4372							6		6
4807	5								5
854									0
907				0					0
1815									0
2634									0
2935									0
3560									0
3705									0
4518									0
4595									0
4659									0
4688									0
4699									0
4704									0
4716									0
4732									0
4754									0
4783									0
4806									0
4814									0
4825									0

[alex.lew]

Very impressive from all the traditional Canadian powerhouse teams!!

[Gregor]

Very impressed with 1503 and 3390, being ranked so high with only 1 event so far.

[Racer26]

After weeks 5 and 6, it looks like this. Note: I made it so that totals were calculated only on a teams first two chronological events but still showed the amount of points they would have earned at the third (unless your third was ABCA), which means that for several teams at ONTO2, and all ON teams at ABCA except 4001, those events didn't count.

Rank	Team	ONTO	QCMO	NHMA	NYRO	NYNY	PAPI	ONWA	MABO	ONTO2	MELE	OHCL	ABCA	Total
1	1114	74						73		71				147
2	2056	75						68		66				143
3	610			69				62						131
4	1310							54		51				105
5	1503						71			32				103
6	1241	56						44		40				100
7	1334							37		55			73	92
8	4001	33											57	90
9	3387	24	64											88
10	3386	18	60											78
11	4343	57								20				77
12	2013	44							32	42				76
13	3985	23	53											76
14	3117		46							29				75
15	3990		68											68
16	4069							37		29				66
17	2994	34								28				62
18	4039							33		29				62
19	1547	40								21				61
20	772				27			31		27				58
21	1325	37								21				58
22	3683							28		29				57
23	2852	15						41						56
24	1075	22	33							8				55
25	2386							9			46			55
26	3756							28		27				55
27	1305							15		38			41	53
28	3360		43	10										53
29	2702		15					37						52
30	781	21						27				32		48
31	2809	26			21									47
32	3161							22		23				45
33	2626		44											44
34	771					32				10			21	42
35	3571							21		19				40
36	3530	12	25											37
37	4476	37												37
38	4718	35												35
39	3396		34											34
40	3710		33											33
41	4814									33				33
42	2200							18			14			32
43	3541	31												31
44	3977		30											30
45	3988	6	21											27
46	4007		27											27
47	3996		26											26
48	4492		26											26
49	4618							26						26
50	4716									26				26
51	296		25											25
52	3986		25											25
53	4519							25						25
54	3550	12	11											23
55	3983		22											22
56	3949							21						21
57	4152							21						21
58	2185	9								10				19
59	3543	19												19
60	4526		19											19
61	907				0					18				18
62	865	14						2						16
63	3379		16											16
64	4704									16				16
65	4678							15						15
66	4525							14						14
67	2935									12				12
68	4015	12												12
69	4491		12											12
70	4518									12				12
71	4727	12												12
72	4252	11												11
73	4594		11											11
74	1846							10						10
75	3533		10											10
76	3544		10											10
77	3989		10											10
78	4732									10				10
79	4783									10				10
80	4825									10				10
81	1815									8				8
82	2625							8						8
83	3382		8											8
84	3532		8											8
85	3560									8				8
86	3975		8											8
87	3979		8											8
88	3987		8											8
89	4167		8											8
90	4200							8						8
91	4659									8				8
92	4777							8						8
93	4808	8												8
94	2634									6				6
95	3969		6											6
96	3981		6											6
97	4372							6						6
98	4595									6				6
99	4688									6				6
100	4754									6				6
101	4807	5												5
102	3705									4				4
103	854									2				2
104	4699													0
105	4806													0

Ontario/Quebec has 105 teams. In 2008, MI had 118. MSC has historically taken the top 64. The Hershey Centre would hold 64 perfectly, so I would assume that a hypothetical Ontario/QC Region Championship would likewise hold 64.

Interestingly, several teams made the cut while only attending one event, and several more would have made the cut on a single event's points, despite attending more than one. I suspect though, that the cutoff is artificially low due to having less events than a true district system.