Full court shooting strategy

[Wren Hensgen]

Well, think about the maneuverability you lose with an 84 inch robot. Bots who just tack that kind of height on become unbalanced, and they tend to tip. Plus, most full court shots come out fast, and unless the blocker is big and heavy, it causes damage.

[MichaelBick]

Originally Posted by Wren Hensgen

Well, think about the maneuverability you lose with an 84 inch robot. Bots who just tack that kind of height on become unbalanced, and they tend to tip. Plus, most full court shots come out fast, and unless the blocker is big and heavy, it causes damage.

Not true at all. pool noodles are super light and if you put some kind of fiberglass rod inside the pool noodle it should be a very good defense against full court shooting.

[Wren Hensgen]

I am just saying what I saw from Chestnut Hill. 4454, a rookie team, added a perfectly strong blocker, pool noodle over plywood, but it upset their CG

[MooreteP]

Originally Posted by Jeffy

I'm very surprised most teams aren't taking advantage of the 84 inch rule when making an "on the fly" wall bot.
Seems a bot with a wide appendage at 84 inches would block any shot.

G22
ROBOT height (as defined in relation to the ROBOT) must be restricted as follows during the MATCH:

If in contact with the carpet in its AUTO ZONE and/or its PYRAMID, ≤ 84 in.
Otherwise, ≤ 60 in.

You cross the carpet at the edge of the pyramid (outside the auto zone) and it is a foul, a technical if you keep doing it. Not exactly a good strategy for an "on the fly" modification. You are trapped and can't load disks, not that you had been shooting any in the first place.

Now, if you built a wallbot that could raise and lower it's wall from 84" to <60", that may work. Just don't leave the AUTO ZONE while you are extended.

[holygrail]

1806 was the most feared bot at the Kansas City Regional because of their versatility. They were hitting high percentage 3 point shots from full court, then if you blocked them, they would just run cycles at the pyramid, then climb for 20 and dump for 20 more. It had everyone in a panic trying to figure out how to defend it. I would be surprised if they didn't make it pretty far at Championships.

[FIMAlumni]

I would be very interested to see a very high profile/high arcing shooter such as 3604 paired with a very long robot such as 326 parked in front of them. This pair to me seems like it would be able to empty all feeder station discs with hopefully and ground pick up bot to clean up the early missed shots.

[faust1706]

something the judges, at least at st louis, did not do well was the 84in rule for outside the auto zone. Wonder if that rule has been interpreted the same at other regionals.

[nikeairmancurry]

Originally Posted by FIMAlumni

I would be very interested to see a very high profile/high arcing shooter such as 3604 paired with a very long robot such as 326 parked in front of them. This pair to me seems like it would be able to empty all feeder station discs with hopefully and ground pick up bot to clean up the early missed shots.

We made our shooter harder to defend actually...

[KrazyCarl92]

How about this particular scenario:

An alliance elects to use 2 Full Court Shooters, one on each side of the field. The third alliance partner is playing defense or scoring via discs on the floor. If the opposing alliance decides to block both Full Court Shooters, would this result in a blockading/stopping the flow of the match penalty under G25?

[Jaxom]

Originally Posted by faust1706

something the judges, at least at st louis, did not do well was the 84in rule for outside the auto zone. Wonder if that rule has been interpreted the same at other regionals.

Were they not calling violations for robots > 60" completely outside of the auto zone, or do you mean something else? I'm having trouble parsing your post.

[Jaxom]

Originally Posted by KrazyCarl92

How about this particular scenario:

An alliance elects to use 2 Full Court Shooters, one on each side of the field. The third alliance partner is playing defense or scoring via discs on the floor. If the opposing alliance decides to block both Full Court Shooters, would this result in a blockading/stopping the flow of the match penalty under G25?

There should be no problem stopping the FCS on the single-load side of the field; there's no protected area. No blocker needed; just bash them off their loading spot.

[nikeairmancurry]

Originally Posted by KrazyCarl92

How about this particular scenario:

An alliance elects to use 2 Full Court Shooters, one on each side of the field. The third alliance partner is playing defense or scoring via discs on the floor. If the opposing alliance decides to block both Full Court Shooters, would this result in a blockading/stopping the flow of the match penalty under G25?

I believe it may..

[John Sabath]

Originally Posted by Jaxom

Were they not calling violations for robots > 60" completely outside of the auto zone, or do you mean something else? I'm having trouble parsing your post.

They were calling them. I'm not sure what he means either.

[KrazyCarl92]

Originally Posted by Jaxom

There should be no problem stopping the FCS on the single-load side of the field; there's no protected area. No blocker needed; just bash them off their loading spot.

Easier said than done in some cases. Plus, in doing so, you would essentially be preventing the shooter bot from leaving its loading zone while also blocking the one on the other side of the field. This might be even more of a G25 penalty.

[John Sabath]

Originally Posted by KrazyCarl92

Easier said than done in some cases. Plus, in doing so, you would essentially be preventing the shooter bot from leaving its loading zone while also blocking the one on the other side of the field. This might be even more of a G25 penalty.

Not sure how other regionals will call it, but in St. Louis you could really only blockade the protected feeders. As long as a theoretical route is open, then it's not blockading, even if none of the robots can take advantage of said route (such as going under the pyramid).

One of our defensive strategies was to place a robot on each side of the pyramid to prevent the other alliance from feeding their full-court shooter. No G25 violations.

I'd talk to the head-ref at each event to figure out what you can get away with, because it is up to interpretation.