2013 Greater Kansas City Regional

[nikeairmancurry]

Originally Posted by runneals

Hi Guys,
I was just wondering if any of you noticed issues with scoring at KC Regionals. I was just review footage shot by one of our mentors friends on 1625 of our team and their is a 20 point discrepancy in the scores for Semi Finals 2 Match 1. Video (153 v 89) compared to the FMS score @ TBA & the 'official' score @ FIRST: (133 v 89).
How would a scoring issue this big happen? If it happened this time, has it happened before? I'm just worried about something potentially happening like this at this weekend's regionals and hurting the teams when it does. Luckily it didn't hurt either alliance this time.
Thanks for your thoughts & comments on this matter. I'm going to be sharing this with FIRST and will let you know what they say.

It has been a issue at some events with the system not displaying right. I remember numerous matches in a row at the Kettering District where one of the scores was in the 200 or 300 range. On the note of effecting those in a match, when I was a driver I was taught to play hard until the end of the match and the scores will reflect that. Meaning I rarely ever knew what the display score was.

[Jaxom]

Originally Posted by runneals

I'll check with our parents, as we had a mentor and a parent shooting video on their video cameras that should have captured it, as I was just shooting photos. Hopefully it Metro Sports caught it too I'll post it up if I do manage to find it

Alas, that QF match didn't have a 13-disk auto. You can see in the video on MOREnet that 3928 has a disk still in their bot at the start of teleop. They shoot it before going back to the loading station. Still an impressive performance by the alliance, though - 12 disks isn't anything to sneeze at.

Originally Posted by nikeairmancurry

It has been a issue at some events with the system not displaying right. I remember numerous matches in a row at the Kettering District where one of the scores was in the 200 or 300 range. On the note of effecting those in a match, when I was a driver I was taught to play hard until the end of the match and the scores will reflect that. Meaning I rarely ever knew what the display score was.

I'll address this for you guys since I was the head ref at KC. After that match, I had a meeting with all of the refs. After the next match, we had yet another meeting and I realized we doubled up on a technical foul on accident. So after the next match, I had the scoring table change the score to reflect what it should have been. We didn't announce it or make a big deal about it since it didn't affect the outcome of the match at all.

While I'm here, I want to say that I had a blast being the head referee this year. I know there are parts that could have gone more smoothly, so that is something to work on for future years (if I'm invited back). Every single drive team that I spoke with was extremely respective, courteous, gracious, professional, and fun. I hope I made it enjoyable for each and every team, as that was something I really strove to achieve.

[runneals]

Originally Posted by tanmaker

I'll address this for you guys since I was the head ref at KC. After that match, I had a meeting with all of the refs. After the next match, we had yet another meeting and I realized we doubled up on a technical foul on accident. So after the next match, I had the scoring table change the score to reflect what it should have been. We didn't announce it or make a big deal about it since it didn't affect the outcome of the match at all.

While I'm here, I want to say that I had a blast being the head referee this year. I know there are parts that could have gone more smoothly, so that is something to work on for future years (if I'm invited back). Every single drive team that I spoke with was extremely respective, courteous, gracious, professional, and fun. I hope I made it enjoyable for each and every team, as that was something I really strove to achieve.

Doh! Glad it wasn't anything wrong with the scoring system then

I would personally like to give a shout out to you and all your other refs, volunteers, and the awesome AndyMark FTA, Liz! I think we can all say you guys were extremely fair and professional when it came to ref'ing our matches, even if it meant we weren't allowed to finish our finals match. We hope to see you again next year!

-David

Originally Posted by runneals

Doh! Glad it wasn't anything wrong with the scoring system then

I would personally like to give a shout out to you and all your other refs, volunteers, and the awesome AndyMark FTA, Liz! I think we can all say you guys were extremely fair and professional when it came to ref'ing our matches, even if it meant we weren't allowed to finish our finals match. We hope to see you again next year!

-David

I really hated doing that to you guys too! But your alliance captain gave me the backup coupon at the last second, then it took me a minute or two before I could come over to talk to you. Your entire team on the floor was super awesome about the whole situation and understood completely, which made it much less stressful for me, so I cannot thank them enough for that.

[runneals]

Originally Posted by tanmaker

I really hated doing that to you guys too! But your alliance captain gave me the backup coupon at the last second, then it took me a minute or two before I could come over to talk to you. Your entire team on the floor was super awesome about the whole situation and understood completely, which made it much less stressful for me, so I cannot thank them enough for that.

Yup If that experience has taught us anything, it's that we should keep extra electronics (*cough* Victors *cough*) in our mobile shop for those act of God emergencies Keep up the great ref'ing

[mr.albinger]

Originally Posted by tanmaker

I really hated doing that to you guys too! But your alliance captain gave me the backup coupon at the last second, then it took me a minute or two before I could come over to talk to you. Your entire team on the floor was super awesome about the whole situation and understood completely, which made it much less stressful for me, so I cannot thank them enough for that.

We were bummed but it was clear how the rules worked. We knew that handing in the backup coupon was a one way ticket and we all know it was much better that our alliance got to field 3 bots instead of 2 in that last match.

We also appreciate being allowed to stand out there and cheer on our alliance in that last match. This is one of those FIRST lessons for life. Sometimes things break at just the wrong time. All you can do is smile, cheer on your friends and start planning how to not have that same thing happen next time.

-Andrew

[holygrail]

Originally Posted by mr.albinger

We were bummed but it was clear how the rules worked. We knew that handing in the backup coupon was a one way ticket and we all know it was much better that our alliance got to field 3 bots instead of 2 in that last match.

We also appreciate being allowed to stand out there and cheer on our alliance in that last match. This is one of those FIRST lessons for life. Sometimes things break at just the wrong time. All you can do is smile, cheer on your friends and start planning how to not have that same thing happen next time.

-Andrew

As the captain for that alliance, we were very impressed by the quality and professionalism of Team Neutrino. They are a force to be reckoned with, now and in future years and we hope you come back to the Kansas City Regional next year.