7-Shot Autonomous Club

[Aren_Hill]

Originally Posted by Alpha Beta

As the list of 7-shot autos grows I'm starting to become interested in who also has a 5-shot auto from the wing getting the 2 (minimum) from the center line. It is possible that several of these teams have that as well, but will never have the opportunity to show it in a regional/district. Makes scouting more difficult if we can't see it. For those who don't want to tip their hand that they can do it... Film it on the practice field and have the video evidence available to the scouts you wish to influence.

Hoping to see a 7 shot middle, 5 shot wing, 3 shot other wing combo on Einstein. 90 in auto will be most impressive. Seeing two alliances both trying for it with a potential auto crash at the center of the field also highly entertaining.

We were working on that saturday morning of KC
Didn't quite have enough time to nail it.

[JB987]

Originally Posted by Alpha Beta

As the list of 7-shot autos grows I'm starting to become interested in who also has a 5-shot auto from the wing getting the 2 (minimum) from the center line. It is possible that several of these teams have that as well, but will never have the opportunity to show it in a regional/district. Makes scouting more difficult if we can't see it. For those who don't want to tip their hand that they can do it... Film it on the practice field and have the video evidence available to the scouts you wish to influence.

Hoping to see a 7 shot middle, 5 shot wing, 3 shot other wing combo on Einstein. 90 in auto will be most impressive. Seeing two alliances both trying for it with a potential auto crash at the center of the field also highly entertaining.

987 six shot center line auto, see SD highlights around 23 seconds mark...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Crdr08DuuSk

[Alpha Beta]

Originally Posted by JB987

987 six shot center line auto, see SD highlights around 23 seconds mark...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Crdr08DuuSk

987 and 103 were the two teams I'd seen on video. You've inspired our programming team to diversify our repertoire.

[Dancin103]

Originally Posted by Alpha Beta

987 and 103 were the two teams I'd seen on video. You've inspired our programming team to diversify our repertoire.

Well I am flattered, to say the least...

Our programming team worked EXTREMELY hard, and they deserve all the credit there! I can't even put into words how awesome they are.

[themccannman]

Wow, 987 can shoot from almost anywhere on pyramid, and their mid-field autonomous was amazing to say the least.

[Mr. Lim]

I didn't get a chance to see that many matches from Waterloo, but did 3161 hit their 7 disc auton in a match? I bumped into them on the practice field a few times, and they hit it several times there.

[AllenGregoryIV]

Originally Posted by Alpha Beta

As the list of 7-shot autos grows I'm starting to become interested in who also has a 5-shot auto from the wing getting the 2 (minimum) from the center line. It is possible that several of these teams have that as well, but will never have the opportunity to show it in a regional/district. Makes scouting more difficult if we can't see it. For those who don't want to tip their hand that they can do it... Film it on the practice field and have the video evidence available to the scouts you wish to influence.

Hoping to see a 7 shot middle, 5 shot wing, 3 shot other wing combo on Einstein. 90 in auto will be most impressive. Seeing two alliances both trying for it with a potential auto crash at the center of the field also highly entertaining.

I'm pretty sure it's far easier to defend against a center line auto than it is to actually make one. Driving backwards to the center without floor collection is a 5 min addition to any teams code. I can't imagine the center line autos working that well in the championship elimination rounds.

[Nuttyman54]

Originally Posted by AllenGregoryIV

I'm pretty sure it's far easier to defend against a center line auto than it is to actually make one. Driving backwards to the center without floor collection is a 5 min addition to any teams code. I can't imagine the center line autos working that well in the championship elimination rounds.

But you have to be fast enough to do it. I expect most elimination alliances will have 3 robots shooting for the high goal, and one of them with a 5 or 7 disc auto. This means, in general, one of the "wing" robots will have to shoot their 3 discs off and then beat their opponent to the center. If you mis-judge the distance and cross over the centerline, overshoot and hit them it's an instant Tech Foul (which is worth almost double what those two extra discs would have been).

I agree it's possible, and teams will attempt it (and some will be successful), but it's not quite as easy as a "drive backwards and hit them" type deal.

[AllenGregoryIV]

Originally Posted by Nuttyman54

But you have to be fast enough to do it. I expect most elimination alliances will have 3 robots shooting for the high goal, and one of them with a 5 or 7 disc auto. This means, in general, one of the "wing" robots will have to shoot their 3 discs off and then beat their opponent to the center. If you mis-judge the distance and cross over the centerline, overshoot and hit them it's an instant Tech Foul (which is worth almost double what those two extra discs would have been).

I agree it's possible, and teams will attempt it (and some will be successful), but it's not quite as easy as a "drive backwards and hit them" type deal.

The defensive team just needs to get their bumpers over the discs, that requires far less accuracy than the team that has to collect the discs. That means it should be done faster than the team lining up for collection. All I'm suggesting is it's far easier than actually scoring them. They only get the tech foul if they completely leave their side of the field and touch another robot which is a large overshoot.

[DjScribbles]

Personally, I don't think it will be that difficult to block, and I expect we'll see a few very strange happenings when someones autonomous code slams into a defender while trying to grab disks and score them.

I think the person attempting to score the disks is probably at a greater risk of crossing the center line; if they don't course correct effectively after meeting a defender, it isn't a stretch of the imagination to see them drive onto the wrong end of the field.

[Selle2.0]

We do a 5 disc autonomous and are working on a 7 disc autonomous that should be ready by worlds, check it out at www.dallasfirstvideo.com in any match we played.

[Siri]

Originally Posted by AllenGregoryIV

The defensive team just needs to get their bumpers over the discs, that requires far less accuracy than the team that has to collect the discs. That means it should be done faster than the team lining up for collection. All I'm suggesting is it's far easier than actually scoring them. They only get the tech foul if they completely leave their side of the field and touch another robot which is a large overshoot.

Moreover, the defensive team just needs to get their bumpers over and stop, whereas the offensive team has to deal with hitting them. I'd say the chances of the offensive bot crossing the center line are actually higher, simply because they're programmed to move after the collision, whereas the defender need not. Plus, I'm not sure I'd want an outside-the-bumpers floor pickup for this situation.

[Alpha Beta]

Originally Posted by AllenGregoryIV

The defensive team just needs to get their bumpers over the discs, that requires far less accuracy than the team that has to collect the discs. That means it should be done faster than the team lining up for collection. All I'm suggesting is it's far easier than actually scoring them. They only get the tech foul if they completely leave their side of the field and touch another robot which is a large overshoot.

Which defender is attempting this block? I assume the center guy is busy doing a 7 shot autonomous, and not available for the block. That means one of the wing guys needs to attempt it after getting their 3 shots off. Sounds like a nearly equal race to me. I bet 987 wins that race against most bots.

Of course if the center guy is not doing the 7 then even if they block the center line they are still down quite a bit after auto.

[Lil' Lavery]

Originally Posted by AllenGregoryIV

The defensive team just needs to get their bumpers over the discs, that requires far less accuracy than the team that has to collect the discs. That means it should be done faster than the team lining up for collection. All I'm suggesting is it's far easier than actually scoring them. They only get the tech foul if they completely leave their side of the field and touch another robot which is a large overshoot.

Still much easier said than done, especially in the heat of an elimination tournament. If the team has some time to test it on the practice field beforehand, sure. It's probably not worth the risk if you haven't had a chance to test it before you're match-up against the center-line loader, though.

[AllenGregoryIV]

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery

Still much easier said than done, especially in the heat of an elimination tournament. If the team has some time to test it on the practice field beforehand, sure. It's probably not worth the risk if you haven't had a chance to test it before you're match-up against the center-line loader, though.

Most teams should have it on anyway. The only reason to not go back after your shots is if your with a someone that can center line. Going back helps get you ready for telop anyway in most cases. It makes sense to add it for all matches not just ones against a center line auto. Our default auto does this, currently from the back of the pyramid, we don't play in places with too many good floor loaders yet.