Climbing and dumping not winning?

[Racer26]

Originally Posted by Koko Ed

1114 is in a category by themselves.

They usually are.

[Lil' Lavery]

Originally Posted by Mark Sheridan

No point in climbing quickly if it take you 30 seconds to line up. Your just going to be too slow. If our robot can't align quickly, we certainly won't be in the running to win Las Vegas. Though the odds of wining in LV are more related to if 987 is on your alliance or not.

Not that I disagree with the assertion that 987 looks like the best team at the event, but keep in mind that 25, 330, 341, 842, and 1717 will also be there.

[MrForbes]

842 isn't going to Las Vegas. But they do have a very capable robot....they did not get a chance to do the "climb and dump" thing at the Phoenix regional, but the robot was built to do that. In addition to a 5 or 7 disc auto (again, they didn't have time to get it working for more than 3 discs yet) and 1.5 minutes of teleop picking up and shooting.

They don't have to spend any time lining up, they just drive to side of the pyramid and go up for 30 points in about 25 seconds.

[Mark Sheridan]

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery

Not that I disagree with the assertion that 987 looks like the best team at the event, but keep in mind that 25, 330, 341, 842, and 1717 will also be there.

Yes indeed, many more reasons to reduce climb and dump's odds Should be fun though. Too bad 842 won't be there, I really want to see that robot.

[JesseK]

Originally Posted by Racer26

They usually are.

This year especially, particularly when they're paired with their favorite partner in crime.

[Koko Ed]

Originally Posted by JesseK

This year especially, particularly when they're paired with their favorite partner in crime.

The only chance the rest of FIRST has is these two aren't in the same division again.
Nothing more dangerous than an elite organisation on a mission.

[Lil' Lavery]

Originally Posted by Koko Ed

The only chance the rest of FIRST has is these two aren't in the same division again.
Nothing more dangerous than an elite organisation on a mission.

A 987 + 1986 combo might have something to say about that.

[BigJ]

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery

A 987 + 1986 combo might have something to say about that.

If that ends up being Einstein finals I will be sure to listen to Duel of the Fates.

[rick.oliver]

Originally Posted by Koko Ed

The only chance the rest of FIRST has is these two aren't in the same division again.
Nothing more dangerous than an elite organisation on a mission.

Lobbying for a pick already? Come on, you know that flattery won't work with them.

And seriously, in a category by themselves? Nonsense, there are at least four or five other teams as consistently excellent ... for sure, it is a small club.

[Racer26]

Originally Posted by rick.oliver

And seriously, in a category by themselves? Nonsense, there are at least four or five other teams as consistently excellent ... for sure, it is a small club.

1114 I agree: there are a few teams that come to mind as 20+ regional wins, plus CCA plus a CMP win or two.

2056? Nobody else more than 6 regionals old can say they've never lost a regional.

[dodar]

Originally Posted by rick.oliver

Lobbying for a pick already? Come on, you know that flattery won't work with them.

And seriously, in a category by themselves? Nonsense, there are at least four or five other teams as consistently excellent ... for sure, it is a small club.

No, the comment made was about this year. I do not believe anyone else this year, except 987 and maybe 1986 if they can really speed up their 30pt hang, can say they are in that top tier.2056, 987, 1114 are the top 3 by a longshot; atleast for now.

[Lil' Lavery]

Originally Posted by dodar

No, the comment made was about this year. I do not believe anyone else this year, except 987 and maybe 1986 if they can really speed up their 30pt hang, can say they are in that top tier.2056, 987, 1114 are the top 3 by a longshot; atleast for now.

Why does 1986 need to speed up their hang to say they're in the top tier? They have the most reliable 7-disc autonomous mode out there (something 1114 lacks entirely), and can already climb higher than 2056 or 987.

[Adam Freeman]

Originally Posted by Koko Ed

The only chance the rest of FIRST has is these two aren't in the same division again.
Nothing more dangerous than an elite organisation on a mission.

That's interesting I've heard people say that about teams before...(see 2010 below)

Things don't always go as expected.

[dodar]

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery

Why does 1986 need to speed up their hang to say they're in the top tier? They have the most reliable 7-disc autonomous mode out there (something 1114 lacks entirely), and can already climb higher than 2056 or 987.

I think they would have to speed up their 30 point hang because I see 2056 and 987 as faster shooters and 1114 can consistently climb 30 and dump 20. I'd also argue for 2056 or 33 to have the most consistent 7-disc auto. I just believe that ground pickup robots will be better this year than corner only or auto-only ground pickup robots this year; 1114 is the only exception so far because they can be nearly as fast with shooting while also being able to climb to level 3 and shoot 20 consistently.

[Karthik]

Originally Posted by Adam Freeman

That's interesting I've heard people say that about teams before...(see 2010 below)

Things don't always go as expected.

Ouch. That wound is still fresh.