Wild Card 2013

[Gregor]

Originally Posted by 2789_B_Garcia

Hey, all,

A few questions about this list:

1. I checked the blue alliance website and the regional awards lists and saw that 4607 won an rookie all-star award (congrats!), how did they qualify a second time?

2. I saw that 1334 has an engineering inspiration award (congrats!), how did they qualify a second time?

Thanks for compiling this!

1334 also won EI

[Nuttyman54]

Originally Posted by 2789_B_Garcia

Hey, all,

A few questions about this list:

1. I checked the blue alliance website and the regional awards lists and saw that 4607 won an rookie all-star award (congrats!), how did they qualify a second time?

2. I saw that 1334 has an engineering inspiration award (congrats!), how did they qualify a second time?

Thanks for compiling this!

4607 won MN North Star, and RAS there, so they have qualified twice but have not opened any wildcard slots.

1334 was a finalist at GTR West, and qualified on a wildcard bid from 2056. They also won EI at the same event, so 2056's wildcard bid goes unused.

[Austin2046]

Originally Posted by Basel A

Spokane: 1983 & 2471

If any of these teams are Regional Champions at their respective competitions, they will open a wild card spot for a team from the Finalist Alliance.

wouldn't 955 also create a wildcard spot in Spokane since they were regional champions in Portland?

[Basel A]

Originally Posted by Austin2046

wouldn't 955 also create a wildcard spot in Spokane since they were regional champions in Portland?

955 isn't listed by FIRST as attending Spokane. If they were to attend, you'd be right.

[Robo Hamsters]

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery

116 would have used the wild card spot, but 116 qualified for Championship based on the Engineering Inspiration Award they won immediately after the Wild Card announcement.

Thanks for the clarification. I must have missed that one with all of the excitement and noise around us..

[1629GaCo]

1629 won the EI at the Buckeye Regional over the weekend, does this open up another Wildcard slot? We were already qualified for the Championship Event due to our winning of the Championship EI award. I was just curious.

[Akash Rastogi]

Originally Posted by 1629GaCo

1629 won the EI at the Buckeye Regional over the weekend, does this open up another Wildcard slot? We were already qualified for the Championship Event due to our winning of the Championship EI award. I was just curious.

Nah, it only counts if you qualified once in 2013, then double qualified. Qualifying via previous season doesn't open up a slot in the current season.

[Nuttyman54]

Originally Posted by Akash Rastogi

Nah, it only counts if you qualified once in 2013, then double qualified. Qualifying via previous season doesn't open up a slot in the current season.

1629 would also have had to win an event after having qualified this season to open up the wildcard slot. Winning EI, RCA or RAS as a second or third qualification wouldn't open up any wildcard slots.

[Marina Dimitrov]

Originally Posted by Jeffy

Looks like all 6 bots in Oklahoma will qualify too.
1806, 1986 have previous regional wins
1540 won chairman's at Portland.

I'm interested in how 2341 also winning EI (congratulations!) in addition to being on our finalist alliance affects the Wild Card protocol. Since the judges knew by this time they had qualified through EI, and that they would get a Wild Card (this would have been clear by the time finals started), should another team have gotten the Wild Card? And if so, who? This seems like what happened with 116 and possibly a few others. What do you all think?

[Lil' Lavery]

Originally Posted by Marina Dimitrov

I'm interested in how 2341 also winning EI (congratulations!) in addition to being on our finalist alliance affects the Wild Card protocol. Since the judges knew by this time they had qualified through EI, and that they would get a Wild Card (this would have been clear by the time finals started), should another team have gotten the Wild Card? And if so, who? This seems like what happened with 116 and possibly a few others. What do you all think?

The way the wild card rules are written means that those wild card spots end up going unused.

Wild Card slots are filled in the order of:

1. Finalist Alliance Captain

2. Finalist First Pick

3. Finalist Second Pick

4. Finalist Backup Team

Wild Card slots are passed to the next team in the order specified above only if the team occupying that Wild Card slot has already qualified for Championship at an earlier 2013 Regional. The number of potential Wild Card slots created at each Regional is equal to the number of teams on the Winning Alliance who had already qualified for Championship at an earlier Regional in 2013.

The wild card spot is only passed down to another team if the team in line to receive it has qualified at an EARLIER event. So 116's spot, unfortunately, does not get passed to 3123 (the back-up bot on the finalist alliance).

[Nuttyman54]

Originally Posted by Marina Dimitrov

I'm interested in how 2341 also winning EI (congratulations!) in addition to being on our finalist alliance affects the Wild Card protocol. Since the judges knew by this time they had qualified through EI, and that they would get a Wild Card (this would have been clear by the time finals started), should another team have gotten the Wild Card? And if so, who? This seems like what happened with 116 and possibly a few others. What do you all think?

The wildcard slot goes unused in both cases. The only case in which a wildcard gets passed down is if the team receiving the wildcard already qualified at a PREVIOUS event. Additional qualifications at the same event do not count.

[Marina Dimitrov]

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery

The way the wild card rules are written means that those wild card spots end up going unused.

The wild card spot is only passed down to another team if the team in line to receive it has qualified at an EARLIER event. So 116's spot, unfortunately, does not get passed to 3123 (the back-up bot on the finalist alliance).

Originally Posted by Nuttyman54

The wildcard slot goes unused in both cases. The only case in which a wildcard gets passed down is if the team receiving the wildcard already qualified at a PREVIOUS event. Additional qualifications at the same event do not count.

I see, that explains it. My extended question, though, is whether FIRST should do something so that X number of new teams (6, I believe? RCA, EI, Rookie All-Star, and 3 Winners normally) qualify for Championships from each regional. For example, reworking the Wild Card rules so that doubling qualifying by winning RCA/EI/All-Star and the regional itself at the same event doesn't "take away" a Championship slot from someone else at that event.

I'm not sure I stand one way or another on this issue, I'm just interested in getting more thoughts.

[Thad House]

Originally Posted by Marina Dimitrov

I see, that explains it. My extended question, though, is whether FIRST should do something so that X number of new teams (6, I believe? RCA, EI, Rookie All-Star, and 3 Winners normally) qualify for Championships from each regional. For example, reworking the Wild Card rules so that doubling qualifying by winning RCA/EI/All-Star and the regional itself at the same event doesn't "take away" a Championship slot from someone else at that event.

I'm not sure I stand one way or another on this issue, I'm just interested in getting more thoughts.

If they were to always say 6 new teams per regional, it would total up to more then 400 teams that would qualify. I think the reason they added the wild card the way they did is that they took away the early registration for champs, and adding the wild card in the current way most likely evens out the teams that would have come from that.

[Basel A]

1288 and 1756 just earned wild card spots at the Crossroads Regional, courtesy of 234 and 868's win and 447's previous qualification.

2996 and 1410 just earned wild card spots at the Colorado Regional, courtesy of 701 and 2169's win.

4001 just earned a wild card spot at the Western Canadian Regional, courtesy of 1334's win.

4159 just earned a wild card spot at the Silicon Valley Regional, courtesy of 254 and 118's win. The other wild card spot went to waste, the first wasted spot of the season.

2403 just earned a wild card spot at the Las Vegas Regional, courtesy of 1717's win and 973 and 1868's previous qualifications.

1899 and 3145 just earned wild card spots at the Spokane Regional, courtesy of 2471 and 1983's win.

[Gregor]

4001 just earned a wildcard at Western Canada, courtesy of 1334's wildcard/EI last week.