Who is going to be on Einstein?

[JohnSchneider]

Originally Posted by dodar

If a championship alliance finds a 2nd pick that can do a 7-disc autonomous...they should automatically win.

Someone needs to tell him that this isn't the April fools day thread

[Richard Wallace]

Originally Posted by Racer26

All you can say is that there is a 75% chance that they won't be.

Continuing along this line of reasoning ...
--> 75% chance that 1114 and 2056 will play against each other on Einstein.

[Abhishek R]

I think an alliance like 148-2056-2789 could easily be seen on Einstein. Well, assuming 148 can get their 30 point climb.

[dodar]

Originally Posted by Abhishek R

I think an alliance like 148-2056-2789 could easily be seen on Einstein. Well, assuming 148 can get their 30 point climb.

I doubt you see 2789 fall to the 16th pick. 2789 will either be a 1st pick for an alliance or a 2nd pick by a 5-8 alliance. If they make back around to 1-3, those alliances deserve to lose to 2789's defense.

[2789_B_Garcia]

Originally Posted by Abhishek R

I'm pretty certain that the "pure offense" strategy will not work. After watching several of the regionals from the current season, most of the "defense" was just a robot moving side to side along the centerline and occasionally the tall blocker to attempt and deflect full-court shots. A more risky strategy, requiring a stellar drive team, is the man-to-man defense (or, since CD likes using hockey for this challenge, body-checking) as was displayed by 2789 TEXplosion at the Lone Star and Alamo Regionals. By making the trip back-and-forth from the feeder station a nightmare for the pyramid shooters with a quick and powerful drivetrain, they were able to delay the number of cycles these pyramid shooters were able to make taking it down from 5+ cycles to even just 1 cycle. They also had a removable blocker for those pesky FCS'.

Originally Posted by dodar

I doubt you see 2789 fall to the 16th pick. 2789 will either be a 1st pick for an alliance or a 2nd pick by a 5-8 alliance. If they make back around to 1-3, those alliances deserve to lose to 2789's defense.

Thank you very much for the respect given to my drive team. It's very hard to earn respect as a defensive team when everyone wants points, points, points, and we don't have the people or the resources to pull off the amazing robots and mechanisms that other teams can, so we have to rely on understanding the game, and building a mini-tank that can take and dish out punishment. Being able to understand the rules and knowing that the dynamics of elimination matches are very different from quals matches has been key to our success this year. We know that we won't be in a picking slot during alliance selections, but we also know the drive trains, wheels, drive patterns, preferred feeder slots and preferred shooting spots for every team at our regionals...and that knowledge has been much more valuable to us this year than any scouting data we've ever recorded.

I guess now is as good a time to say it as any...

This will be our first trip to championship in our team's five year history, and before this week we had planned on going as starry-eyed noobs just there to enjoy the ride...but then our good friends and alliance partners for two finals runs this year, team 4063, hooked us up with their spare frisbee shooter. Needless to say, we plan on showing up to champs with our mad defense and at least a 12 point autonomous...

[Jaxom]

Originally Posted by MrJohnston

We asked the ref about doing that, too... However, he said that, should the stick get inside another robot and, say, strike its electrical board, it would be a technical on teh FCS, so we chose not to do that.

4 words:

within the bumper zone

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[Walter Deitzler]

Winning Einstein alliance: 254+1114, and one more robot with a center-line auto and a strong-ish drive train. 254 does a 7 disk auto, 1114 does a 3 disk auto, and the third robot hits the center-line. 3rd robot drives down to the feeder station, does not have to shoot full court, but does start unloading disks towards their end of the field for 254 to pick up. 1114 is running to and from the feeder station shooting disks. 254 is shooting from the front of the court. The third robot, once being blocked, pushes its way out of the feeder station to start playing some defense. In the last 30 seconds, 1114 climbs and dumps for 50, 254 does a cycle or two and then hangs, and the 3rd alliance member either defends or runs one cycle, than hangs for 10.

*Note, all named teams could easily be switched out for one similar to it. These names were just used for a more visual reference.

[Gregor]

Originally Posted by LedLover96

Winning Einstein alliance: 254+1114, and one more robot with a center-line auto and a strong-ish drive train. 254 does a 7 disk auto, 1114 does a 3 disk auto, and the third robot hits the center-line. 3rd robot drives down to the feeder station, does not have to shoot full court, but does start unloading disks towards their end of the field for 254 to pick up. 1114 is running to and from the feeder station shooting disks. 254 is shooting from the front of the court. The third robot, once being blocked, pushes its way out of the feeder station to start playing some defense. In the last 30 seconds, 1114 climbs and dumps for 50, 254 does a cycle or two and then hangs, and the 3rd alliance member either defends or runs one cycle, than hangs for 10.

*Note, all named teams could easily be switched out for one similar to it. These names were just used for a more visual reference.

I like this. Shoot 20ish disks for 254 to pick up, then go play defense/climb.

[itsjustmrb]

Originally Posted by 2789_B_Garcia

This will be our first trip to championship in our team's five year history, and before this week we had planned on going as starry-eyed noobs just there to enjoy the ride...but then our good friends and alliance partners for two finals runs this year, team 4063, hooked us up with their spare frisbee shooter. Needless to say, we plan on showing up to champs with our mad defense and at least a 12 point autonomous...

Hey...why only 12 :-)

[2789_B_Garcia]

Originally Posted by itsjustmrb

Hey...why only 12 :-)

Baby steps...the idea of my robot putting a lot of points on the board just seems so foreign to me when there are so many other robots on the field that it would be fun to ram into lol

[Tom Bottiglieri]

I think this the type of year where the traditional "2 offense + 1 defense bot" elimination alliance strategy won't get you to Einstein. There are just too many ways to score points. Taking any time to stop the other team rather than scoring yourself will put you in a hole (unless you can hit 13 in auto and climb for 30 in under 15 seconds).

Then again, I thought the same thing in 2007 and that didn't go exactly as I thought it would.

[Justin Shelley]

I defiantly believe 118, 1114, and 1986 all have winning robots if luck falls their way. 1986 makes me proud to be from Missouri lol

[Racer26]

Originally Posted by Richard Wallace

Continuing along this line of reasoning ...
--> 75% chance that 1114 and 2056 will play against each other on Einstein.

I suppose, if you're assuming that there is a 100% chance both of them win their divisions. I don't think that's even close to reality. Look at 2011, 2007, or 2006 for examples.

[Lil' Lavery]

Originally Posted by LedLover96

Winning Einstein alliance: 254+1114, and one more robot with a center-line auto and a strong-ish drive train. 254 does a 7 disk auto, 1114 does a 3 disk auto, and the third robot hits the center-line. 3rd robot drives down to the feeder station, does not have to shoot full court, but does start unloading disks towards their end of the field for 254 to pick up. 1114 is running to and from the feeder station shooting disks. 254 is shooting from the front of the court. The third robot, once being blocked, pushes its way out of the feeder station to start playing some defense. In the last 30 seconds, 1114 climbs and dumps for 50, 254 does a cycle or two and then hangs, and the 3rd alliance member either defends or runs one cycle, than hangs for 10.

*Note, all named teams could easily be switched out for one similar to it. These names were just used for a more visual reference.

I can count the amount of robots who have demonstrated a center line auto that wouldn't conflict with 254's starting position on one hand. And you expect one to be available in the 2nd round of alliance selection?

[Jeffy]

A pair of short bots with full court capability and that have practiced enough that they can line up in a timely fashion paired with any pickup bot. It remains to be seen whether there is enough depth for this, and we won't know until the divisions are released.

Any two of 118, 610, 2826 could score every disc in the match.