Registration 2013

[brrian27]

Thanks!

[PayneTrain]

Originally Posted by brrian27

What is the max number of teams that the championship event can hold?

Originally Posted by Wetzel

400

This will be interesting to watch, because this year, I believe there are over 400 available merit-based or pre-qualified bids for CMP, so we may see some push there.

However, I'm sure there is a statistic available on % of teams who accept bids that would probably mean only 370 or some similar number of those slots are filled.

[brrian27]

So, in the hypothetical case of 370 registering, about 30 other teams would get in on the wait list?

[Mark McLeod]

Hypothetically speaking, that's the idea.
Just remember that FIRST has changed the # of teams admitted to Championship over the year's, so no guarantees on the total number that will be admitted.

Currently 245 teams are registered for Championship.

[scottandme]

Slightly educated guess, but CMP will likely be smaller this year than it was last year. It seems that FIRST was surprised by a higher than normal acceptance rate last year, and the end of open registration and the wild card system were an attempt to bring the number of teams back to the mid 300's.

2012 - 400
2011 - 352
2010 - 344
2009 - 348
2008 - 340
2007 - 344
2006 - 344
2005 - 340

Aside from that, the two district systems (FiM and MAR) had their CMP slots adjusted. From what I've heard, FIRST assigned slots to FiM and MAR based on the region population relative to total slots at CMP. FiM has 27 slots for 206 teams, and MAR has 14 slots for 109 teams. Assuming 2550 FRC teams, FiM represents about 8.1% of FRC teams, and MAR represents 4.3% of FRC teams. So for FiM and MAR to have 8.1% and 4.3% of the CMP slots, that suggests 330-340 teams at CMP this year.

Last year there were 100 teams per field, 9 matches per team, and 150 qualification matches total. Dropping to 90 teams per field allows 10 matches per team in the same 150 qualification matches. I would say 350-360 teams total sounds about right for this year. 2010 and 2011 had 10 qual matches per team.

The math for this year lines up almost perfectly with those guesses. As of this post there are 249 teams registered (week 5 qualifiers have until 5PM EST, so possibly add a couple more). There are 12 more regional events for a max of 72 teams, 14 MAR, and 27 FiM. That yields 362 teams assuming 100% acceptance.

[PVCpirate]

Does anyone have the acceptance rate from last year? I remember from the now removed blog post that it was somewhere around 80%, and previously it had been around 60%.

[Jared Russell]

Since the era of Championship waitlist registration may be gone for good, I think you'll continue to see a high acceptance rate.

Ex. "If my team wins a Regional in 2013, that may be our only chance to go to the Championship for years"

[scottandme]

Originally Posted by PVCpirate

Does anyone have the acceptance rate from last year? I remember from the now removed blog post that it was somewhere around 80%, and previously it had been around 60%.

Well, there have been 46 regionals so far - max 276 slots. I don't remember how many teams were pre-registered before the season, around 30? (HoF, sustaining, einstein 2012).

We're at 252 teams now, so we're seeing at least 80% acceptance (subtracting ~30 from that number for pre-qual teams). You would have to find the list of pre-registered teams and see if they qualified this season (killing a slot) to get the real number. For example 1114 and 2056 were both pre-registered, and they ate two (of the 276) slots by winning their first event, their later wins generated wildcard slots.

[cgmv123]

58 regionals * 6 spots/regional = 348 regional qualifiers + 27 FiM teams + 14 MAR teams + 17 HoF** + 6 sustaining teams** + 12 Einstein teams + 1 EI team = 425 potential championship slots

Double qualifying HoF, Sustaining and Einstein teams don't create Wild Card slots, so there shouldn't be any issues accommodating all the teams that want to go, even if it's all the teams that are eligible.

**191 is a Hall of Fame team (twice) and a sustaining team. They are counted as a Hall of Fame team for the purposes of this exercise.

[scottandme]

CMP registration for week 5 qualifiers ended about an hour ago, now at 262 teams.

So without going to the waitlist, that means CMP can hit a max of 375 teams (+72 Regional, +14 MAR, +27 FiM). It's likely a few of those slots will be killed by wasted wildcard slots (hello SVR/Vegas!), along a few regular declines.

I like the idea of 90 team divisions and jumping back to 10 matches in qualifications. Match turnaround might be a little longer than last year though, and CMP will probably have a high concentration of 30 point climbers.

I'm sure FIRST has a number in mind regardless, so whatever that is will determine if/when teams get pulled from the waitlist.

[Mark McLeod]

Originally Posted by PVCpirate

Does anyone have the acceptance rate from last year? I remember from the now removed blog post that it was somewhere around 80%, and previously it had been around 60%.

Here's the blog entry you were looking for (note that at the time it didn't include all acceptees from weeks 6 & 7):

Originally Posted by Bill's Blog, April 5, 2012

This year we were already planning for a bigger and better Championship, but we were excited by an almost 85% registration rate for teams that earned slots at events.

264 registered teams now.

[Mark McLeod]

More team dropouts/noshows has brought the total number of teams this season down to:
2528

278 registered for Championship, but many of the winners from this past weekend aren't yet registered.

31 teams registered for MAR championship

55 teams registered for FiM championship


This is a very busy day at FIRST Finance, because qualifying teams are registering for all three upcoming championship events.

[IndySam]

Waitlist invites are being sent out. We got one.

[PayneTrain]

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod

More team dropouts/noshows has brought the total number of teams this season down to:
2528

Is there any data you have that would suggest this is a high year for in-season team attrition? It feels high.

I imagine the waitlist this year has a particular level of "magic" involved. Is it likely it's case-by-case basis? I know 829 could be considered a "high priority" waitlist team seeing as it hasn't attended championships since 2010 and was a regional finalist two weeks ago.

[IndySam]

Originally Posted by PayneTrain

Is there any data you have that would suggest this is a high year for in-season team attrition? It feels high.

I imagine the waitlist this year has a particular level of "magic" involved. Is it likely it's case-by-case basis? I know 829 could be considered a "high priority" waitlist team seeing as it hasn't attended championships since 2010 and was a regional finalist two weeks ago.

We also registered for the waitlist the first second we were allowed too so I wouldn't yet read too much into it until we see what other teams get invites.