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The assumption is that if their on-board compressor is not working, they used a different compressor to fill the tanks, which is not allowed.
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Not if they also have an on-board compressor. The rules specify one compressor.
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The R80 violation would then trigger multiple tournament rules that would remove the robot from the match and/or disqualify the alliance. |
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I think it has to be powered by the robot, and it wasn't. This is a secondhand account I heard from someone on the winning alliance, so I'm not really sure.
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Maybe I'm "lawyering" this rule a bit too much, but IMO it doesn't say that they can only have one compressor, just that only one compressor may supply air.
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One and only one may supply air. That one may be located either on-board or off-board. If they had removed the on-board compressor from the system somehow, then I think they would have been perfectly fine (provided that R86 was met). If they did not, then there exists the possibility that it could turn on during the match, thus supplying air, thus having two compressors supplying air to the same system during the same match, though at two different times, thus potentially creating a rather nasty rules debate if the team gets called on violating a robot rule (and thus not passing inspection, see T06 for the aftermath).
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Footnote: If this isn't lawyering the rules, I don't know what is. |
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However, the 2011 wording is different from the 2013 wording, and it is always up to the Inspector on whether you can or can't do this. |
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2386 was told they where not allowed to use their (illegal) offboard compressor. and this was unrelated to why they sat dead in match F2. Their digital sidecar power cable had come loose and they where not allowed time to fix it.
They got it fixed between F2 and F3, charged their air tanks with their onboard compressor, then went to swap their battery. The lead robot inspector came over and told them that if they changed their battery they would have to drain then refill their air tanks. With no time left to do that and no time to argue the ruling they (2386) decided to run on the same battery as they had not moved in the last match. Also between match F1 and F2 a bearing exploded in their shifters. It was quickly replaced with wraps of electrical tape. |
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I only have good things to say about this new regional. It is easily one of the best events I have been to in my time with FIRST. The volunteers and refs were nice and did their jobs well. The judges were awesome as usual, especially the ones listening for chairmans presentations. Then of course the competition. There were great robots in every match, and the finals were the best ones I've seen all year. On a personal note, a HUGE congratulations to my good friends from 3467, the Windham Windup, for winning their first regional. I know you guys went through a lot this year, and you definitely deserved a win. As Angry Eric said, "I'm just gonna say this now, but these guys have the fastest climber on the east coast." Also, if anyone from the Pine Tree planning committee is reading this, you did a perfect job, thank you. I'm very hopeful to attend this regional in the future.
There was also something that happened during the award ceremonies that I will never forget. When the rookie highest seed came up, it was originally given to team 4564, although it was supposed to go to team 4473. This was later fixed, and 4564 was told they could keep that trophy as well as they did not want to take it away from them. However, as 4473 came up for the real rookie highest seed award, members from 4564 came down and gave the trophies they received to members from 4473. It was truly amazing to see two rookie teams handling themselves so professionally. Also note that 4564 would go on to win Rookie All Star later on. Last edited by Jay O'Donnell : 07-04-2013 at 12:23. |
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You probably should post it then, just to make FIRST aware that this happened at Pine Tree.
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I'm being a bit pedantic now, but does the LRI have authority in THE ARENA to prohibit this?
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