Power State Alliances at Champs

[Gregor]

Ontario:

1114: 18 point auto, 5 cycles, 50 point hang. 128 points

2056: 42 point auto, 5-6 "cycles," 10 point hang. 112-124 points

610: 18 point auto, 5-7 cycles OR quick FCS*, 10 point hang. 88-112 points.

Total: 328-364

Problem, this alliance needs 72 disks, there are 47 available. 2056 can steal opponents misses (and they regularly do), but this alliance is capped at the amount of disks they can get their hands on.



*can hit up to 28 disks with their FCS, but I didn't incude it in the point totals because they don't do it often.

[AdamHeard]

Originally Posted by Gregor

Problem, this alliance needs 72 disks, there are 47 available. 2056 can steal opponents misses (and they regularly do), but this alliance is capped at the amount of disks they can get their hands on.

This is an uncommonly made point on chief; many people seem completely unaware that there are only 45 (+6) frisbees at the feeder station.

[Anupam Goli]

If we're going by who's attending champs, for GA the only real choices are
2415, 2974, 1311. 2415 has a 7 disc auto,2974 is a fairly quick cycler, and 1311 has the ability to shoot far away, feeding 2415.

If I could choose any teams from this state and form the best alliance of the state, I'd go with 2415 and their 7 disc auto, 1648, who is a quick cycler with a powerful drivetrain, and either 4509 or 4080. Both of these guys have very good shooting and while 4509 hasn't shown an FCS, their shooter is powerful and can shoot long range.

[Iaquinto.Joe]

Michigan:
67:3 disc auton, FCS, 50 dump
469:5 disc auton, Field pickup, 10 pt hang
33:7 disc auton, Field pickup, 10 pt hang

~350 pts

[holygrail]

I would love to be on an alliance with fellow MO teams 1986 and 1806. I don't think it is safe to assume that two FCS on the same alliance would go un defended. We can run 4 cycles a match, sometimes 5 with an 18 point autonomous and a last second 10
point hang. Plus, we are adding in some defensive capabilities for Champs that will be "interesting" without losing shooting or hanging ability.

Whether we get to be a part of it or not, both 1986 and 1806 are going to be teams to watch in St. Louis.

[Lil' Lavery]

Originally Posted by Iaquinto.Joe

Michigan:
67:3 disc auton, FCS, 50 dump
469:5 disc auton, Field pickup, 10 pt hang
33:7 disc auton, Field pickup, 10 pt hang

~350 pts

As pointed out just a few posts ago, keep in mind the amount of discs available to an alliance. With only 50 climb points, they'd need 300 disc points to reach your goal for them. 90 of those can come from autonomous (if they match a feat that's only been achieved once all year in all of FRC). 20 more can come from 67's dump. That still leaves 190 points to be scored by discs in the 3 point goal, or 63.333 disc's worth. They'd only have 47 available to them at their station (45 white + 2 red not being scored in the pyramid). That means they'd have to scoop up 17 of the other alliances' discs (beyond shooting 100% of their discs in).

Pretty tall task, even for those teams.

And do 79 discs even fit in the 3 point goal?

[Woolly]

Originally Posted by holygrail

I would love to be on an alliance with fellow MO teams 1986 and 1806. I don't think it is safe to assume that two FCS on the same alliance would go un defended. We can run 4 cycles a match, sometimes 5 with an 18 point autonomous and a last second 10
point hang. Plus, we are adding in some defensive capabilities for Champs that will be "interesting" without losing shooting or hanging ability.

Whether we get to be a part of it or not, both 1986 and 1806 are going to be teams to watch in St. Louis.

Just think if that alliance made it to Einstien.
TWO Mecanum bots on Einstien!

Also, you could drive to all 3 of our schools and not have your trip meter go over 60 miles.

[indubitably]

Nebraska:

[ENeyman]

For PA, I would go with...

1. 341- Great auton/floor intake, quick shooter (if a little inconsistent), fast 10-point climb
2. 222- Great cycle bot who can make multiple trips, superconsistent shooter, easy 10-point climb
3. 1640- another great shooter with a fairly-fast 30 point climb

[SharonO]

Originally Posted by Woolly

Just think if that alliance made it to Einstien.
TWO Mecanum bots on Einstien!

Also, you could drive to all 3 of our schools and not have your trip meter go over 60 miles.

THIS is why FRC in Kansas City is getting to be very competitive.

[holygrail]

Originally Posted by Woolly

Just think if that alliance made it to Einstien.
TWO Mecanum bots on Einstien!

Also, you could drive to all 3 of our schools and not have your trip meter go over 60 miles.

That would definitely be a first! We can easily switch to traction wheels to push if we need to, but we really love the maneuverability on the flat field. I'd much rather be with you than against you! Can't wait for divisions to come out so we can see if we are with any local friends.

[Coach Norm]

Originally Posted by AllenGregoryIV

Texas

118 - 7 Disc (or 5 from the center line), cycle or ground pick up, 10 point hang
1477 - Same as above
2468 - 3 in auto, FCS, plus feeding discs to the two ground pick ups, 10 point hang.

Should be able to get 70+ in Auto every time and potential for 90. Nearly every disc will be scored by this alliance, plus stealing discs from the opponents.

There are a lot of Texas teams going but I think this combination has the most offensive capability.

Allen, Thanks for the kind words. We are definitely honored to be mentioned on alliance with two teams we consider to be teams we aspire to be like.

We have been working on dialing in shooting at the 3 more consistently as well as improving shot time at the 3 point shot. The shot time for the 2 was much less for the 2 at Alamo and Hub City. We added two speed transmissions (first time for our team ever) at Alamo and it took most of the tournament to get comfortable driving with them. We hope we have discovered and can demonstrate some improvements not only the robot and drive team but also in shot selection on the course.

I know that 148 offers the 20 point hang which is a definite advantage that we do not offer.

I believe at Championships that ground pickup and stealing from your opponents will be a big difference in winning and losing. The limited supply at your feeder station will be depleted in many matches I believe. Teams will need to be aware and take advantage of this. The points scored from these frisbees will most likely be the difference in the matches.

[ewcr]

Originally Posted by Iaquinto.Joe

Michigan:
67:3 disc auton, FCS, 50 dump
469:5 disc auton, Field pickup, 10 pt hang
33:7 disc auton, Field pickup, 10 pt hang

~350 pts

I can see them getting 90 fairly consistently in auto.. +50 in climb points + 20 in dump points + around 40 disks scored in the 3 point goal thats 50+20+(40*3) +90 = that's 280 points. The only reason i don't think they can score more than 40 disks is that i would have 67 FCS obviously making close to 20 if undefended while 469 makes runs probably 3 for 12 making all 12 then 33 will make runs for the first half of the match making 8 then picking up 4 misses and making them for another 4 thats 20 +12 +12 =42 and i just rounded down to 40 for safety because unless HOT speeds up their line up time it could take a lot of time... now it could end up with them making that many and still having time for another 4 pick ups from the bees while guerrillas pick up 4 from the opponents side making it 50 disks but thats pushing it. Even then it would only be 90+50+20+(50*3) making 310, with no def and very high accuracy.
Also i think you could replace either of the pick up robots (33 or 469) with 2054 with no detriment to the alliance as a whole. (Assuming someone other than 469 can get the center Frisbee in there which i haven't seen yet. i would say that the byting bulldogs could replace them as well but their auton is way less consistent, but they are definatly a contender.

[PVCpirate]

Originally Posted by AdamHeard

This is an uncommonly made point on chief; many people seem completely unaware that there are only 45 (+6) frisbees at the feeder station.

And we're definitely going to see some alliances run out in elims next week. Those Elims are going to be really interesting, I can't wait.

[BrendanB]

Originally Posted by bnardone64

Team 1100 is bringing a floor pickup to St. Louis. I thought 125 also attempted a floor pickup but didn't use it at Boston.

I really can't wait to see this in St. Louis! Watched you guys at WPI and Boston and have a solid robot with a few *ahem* tricks up your sleeve er... elevator.