Wild Card 2013

[Racer26]

Its not like matches are simultaneously happening on 2 fields. You interleave them. FieldA resets and gets the next 6 robots connected while FieldB plays. You would place them adjacent to one another.

2004 and 2006 Greater Toronto regional were done this way.

[dodar]

Originally Posted by Racer26

Its not like matches are simultaneously happening on 2 fields. You interleave them. FieldA resets and gets the next 6 robots connected while FieldB plays. You would place them adjacent to one another.

2004 and 2006 Greater Toronto regional were done this way.

That'd be just as hard to scout.

[Lil' Lavery]

How do teams even change their WPA key for each field in their division?

Not to mention that running matches twice as fast leaves half as much time between a teams' matches. But the travel time between the pits and field remains the same. Basically no time to do repairs.

[Racer26]

Both fields for a division run the same set of WPA keys, besides, we're the midst of a control system overhaul for 2015. They could easily plan for this capability.

When 1075 went to Atlanta in 2010 I don't recall match cycle times to have been an issue at all. They would get a bit shorter, but not 2x shorter, because you would have more teams

[PayneTrain]

Originally Posted by Racer26

As far as I understand it, we were only using 1 of several halls in the building housing the pits.

That's true... if you're talking about the Georgia World Congress Center. I believe only one of 3 giant halls were ever used for CMP, and I think the entirety of America's Center is used for CMP at the moment, but I could be wrong.

[Kevin Leonard]

One of the things I hate about the system is that when we won a regional, we didn't generate a wild card spot even though we're an original team and are qualified on that basis.
I think that HOF, Original, World Champion, and World EI winners should generate wildcard spots.

I also think there needs to be some way to give early season event-attendees wild card spots. A great example of this is 2791, Shaker Robotics. Shaker attended BAE Week one and did decently.
They then attended a Week 2 competition, WPI, and with their improvements managed to get the number one seed as well as become finalists. A number of factor prevented them (and us) from winning that regional, but their robot was top-notch. I think if they had the chance, they'd have more improvements at champs and be a force to be reckoned with.
But they do not, as they attended two early season regionals.

I don't know about Chairmans, EI, Rookie All-star generating a wild card spot if the team is already qualified. The criteria for that would be tough to judge fairly.
I also think that if a wild card spot would go unused, it should pass down until it IS used. Possibly to the next highest seed alliance captain, 1st pick, and so on.

[hiyou102]

Originally Posted by Thunder910

One of the things I hate about the system is that when we won a regional, we didn't generate a wild card spot even though we're an original team and are qualified on that basis.
I think that HOF, Original, World Champion, and World EI winners should generate wildcard spots.

This should also include the Einstein teams from last year. It would have been great to see 216 qualify at the Western Canada FRC Regional.

[PayneTrain]

For the 2014 season, no more than 23 teams will pre-qualify (barring... complications, or a CCA or EI winner being an original team or CMP winner), and there are currently 22 spots left until FRC reaches its target of 408 this year. Assuming those are all going to be waitlist teams, why not go ahead and say "any team qualified for CMP and wins an event gives up a spot".

Waitlist priority should also be given to finalist captains and first picks. It seems inconsequential on a large level, but a good thing to give to teams.

[Grim Tuesday]

I think it's an absolute necessity for early season regional finalists to get something out of wild cards. Maybe if a wild card goes unused in a later regional, it goes to whomever would have gotten it at an earlier event, had that team been generating wild cards already.

As towards passing cards down into the semifinals, I don't really know how it could happen. Would you give it to the highest seeding semifinal alliance captain that didn't win? The one who was beaten by the eventual regional champion? Both those methods could work but it ends up being almost luck of the draw (though, waitlist is almost definition of that already).

[Racer26]

I would pass it to awards before semifinals. More fair that way.

Maybe pass it to ID, EE, or IiC winner first.

[Siri]

Originally Posted by PayneTrain

For the 2014 season, no more than 23 teams will pre-qualify (barring... complications, or a CCA or EI winner being an original team or CMP winner), and there are currently 22 spots left until FRC reaches its target of 408 this year. Assuming those are all going to be waitlist teams, why not go ahead and say "any team qualified for CMP and wins an event gives up a spot".

Waitlist priority should also be given to finalist captains and first picks. It seems inconsequential on a large level, but a good thing to give to teams.

Pre-qualification isn't the only method though--teams also qualify at 2 different times in the same event. Expanding the system, even into just pre-qualification wildcards, leaves no room for growth or a greater percent acceptance. Saying that anyone who's qualified and wins generates a wildcard would have put us over this year (assuming someone accepted).

You're correct that it's a fair and good thing to do, but I don't know how it's sustainable.

Originally Posted by Thunder910

I also think there needs to be some way to give early season event-attendees wild card spots. A great example of this is 2791, Shaker Robotics. Shaker attended BAE Week one and did decently.
They then attended a Week 2 competition, WPI, and with their improvements managed to get the number one seed as well as become finalists. A number of factor prevented them (and us) from winning that regional, but their robot was top-notch. I think if they had the chance, they'd have more improvements at champs and be a force to be reckoned with.
But they do not, as they attended two early season regionals.

This is something a point system could help with. In the MAR point system, Shaker would have finished their 2 events with 89 points. The lowest points-qualifying team MAR sent this year got 77 in their first 2 districts. If wildcards had been reserved from Week 1 and fed into a list of competitors later in the season, 2791 probably would have been near the top of that list. But because of the regional they happened to attend, they didn't get that chance.


I think this whole 'line of succession' thing is begging for some FiM style data

[Basel A]

Is there someone willing to compile this information for 2014? I don't have the time to do it myself this season.

[waialua359]

tl:dr, ....but do HOF teams create an auto wild card, if they should either win the tournament and/or EI?

Cant remember.

Just curious.

[Abhishek R]

Originally Posted by waialua359

tl:dr, ....but do HOF teams create an auto wild card, if they should either win the tournament and/or EI?

Cant remember.

Just curious.

Also, what about previous year Einstein?

[EricLeifermann]

Originally Posted by waialua359

tl:dr, ....but do HOF teams create an auto wild card, if they should either win the tournament and/or EI?

Cant remember.

Just curious.

Originally Posted by Abhishek R

Also, what about previous year Einstein?

They didn't last year, so I would assume they don't this year.