Team Update - 4/16/13

[Hallry]

Taken from the FRC Manual, 4/16/13: http://frc-manual.usfirst.org/Updates/0#term 107

Game Manual - Team UPDATE - 2013-04-16

Game Manual

The Q&A will be closing for questions at noon on Wednesday, April 24, 2013. If you have specific, game-related questions, please ask them at the Drivers’ Meeting at Championships.

The procedure for the full-size Practice Fields at Championships has been posted on the FIRST Championship homepage.

Congratulations to all Teams on a successful FRC Regional Season! Good luck to those Teams competing at the FIRST Championship!

[Jared Russell]

I am skeptical that the new practice field policy (running back to back 2:15 minute matches with FMS) is an improvement. It turns a 15 minute practice slot into 4:30 of running time. It also implies (unfortunately) that inevitable FMS related delays will now be present on the practice field as well.

If you want to tune autonomous, you get two shots and you're out.

[Todd]

Originally Posted by Jared341

I am skeptical that the new practice field policy (running back to back 2:15 minute matches with FMS) is an improvement. It turns a 15 minute practice slot into 4:30 of running time. It also implies (unfortunately) that inevitable FMS related delays will now be present on the practice field as well.

If you want to tune autonomous, you get two shots and you're out.

From the practice field policy document:

There will be two full Practice Fields, located in the pits, available for teams at the 2013 FRC Championship. Teams will use their robot radio on these fields, just like on the division fields. Two divisions will be assigned to each field.

Four regional practice field goal setups will also be available for teams to use and can be found on the venue map. These setups will be tethered operation only and first-come first-serve. When using these areas please make sure you operate safely and are courteous about sharing the space with other teams.

Tuning autonomous would be a good use of one of the practice field goals.

[BigJ]

I foresee the "Four regional practice field goal setups" being way more crowded than the actual practice field for the reasons that Jared mentioned.

[Jared Russell]

Originally Posted by Todd

Tuning autonomous would be a good use of one of the practice field goals.

Not if your autonomous moves your robot any distance. I doubt they will let teams drive their robot autonomously in an ad-hoc area with a bunch of goals.

[Todd]

Originally Posted by Jared341

Not if your autonomous moves your robot any distance. I doubt they will let teams drive their robot autonomously in an ad-hoc area with a bunch of goals.

I believe they're referring to the 1/3 field setups that were available at many regionals (Pine Trees, and CTR at the least), in which case it'd be as useful as a practice field is at any of those regionals, with the addition of two full practice fields for mock matches.

[Brandon Holley]

I have to say, using FMS and basically putting the practice field on a match schedule seems like a disaster waiting to happen.

It takes a small army's worth of people to get teams out to their official matches on the dome floor, on the field and playing. I can only imagine what it will be like in a less "official" environment.


I fear that if the practice field begins falling behind for one reason or another, the first thing to go will be your 2nd practice match. I also fear that if a team forgets to say close a pneumatic valve or plug in a wire, being in a 'match' setting will not allow these types of issues to be corrected on the spot. A mistake like this could mean waiting in the filler line for an hour could be a total waste of time...

-Brando

[Jared Russell]

Originally Posted by Todd

I believe they're referring to the 1/3 field setups that were available at many regionals (Pine Trees, and CTR at the least), in which case it'd be as useful as a practice field is at any of those regionals, with the addition of two full practice fields for mock matches.

It doesn't say anything about a pyramid in these areas, only goals. Without a pyramid plopped down the proper distance away from the goals and discs placed in the right spots underneath and at midfield, it's going to be hard to test what our team needs to test.

Still, just having goals will certainly be useful to a large number of teams.

[Siri]

Do we know if these tethered fields will be open Wednesday, or does the Hours of Operation section apply to both types?


I wish FIRST would offer some kind of rationalization (or warning/response period) when they make changes like this. Running matches is not what most teams I know look for on the practice field. If there's no pyramid on the tethered fields, we'll be lucky if we can climb at all.

[BrendanB]

Originally Posted by Siri

I wish FIRST would offer some kind of rationalization (or warning/response period) when they make changes like this. Running matches is not what most teams I know look for on the practice field. If there's no pyramid on the tethered fields, we'll be lucky if we can climb at all.

Now I'm really hoping we don't have any problems with our climber because right now it doesn't look like we have an area to test in and view it up close to diagnose problems.

Why does FIRST do this?

[Wetzel]

I suspect that the practice field setup will end up being a net plus for teams testing autonomous pickup/defense modes. I also suspect that team members will be pressed into service to reset the practice field whilst their team is out there.

Brandon - spend that hour in line making sure that your pneumatics are closed and charged. The match cycles on the competition field are going to be tight, you start a match with an open pneumatic valve and it will be a greater loss than a practice field match.

Wetzel

[thefro526]

Originally Posted by Siri

Do we know if these tethered fields will be open Wednesday, or does the Hours of Operation section apply to both types?


I wish FIRST would offer some kind of rationalization (or warning/response period) when they make changes like this. Running matches is not what most teams I know look for on the practice field. If there's no pyramid on the tethered fields, we'll be lucky if we can climb at all.

Practice fields will not be open Wednesday Evening.

The Rest of the Schedule is as follows:

Thursday 7:30AM to 8PM

Friday 7:30AM to 6:30PM (Closed for Opening Ceremonies, 8:15-9am)

Saturday 7:30AM to 10:30AM...

Not sure what the 10:30AM Close time on Saturday Morning is all about, I hope that it has something to do with them being reserved for Elimination Alliances or something like that.

Relevant Document: http://www.usfirst.org/sites/default...ice_Fields.pdf

[Siri]

Originally Posted by Jared341

It doesn't say anything about a pyramid in these areas, only goals. Without a pyramid plopped down the proper distance away from the goals and discs placed in the right spots underneath and at midfield, it's going to be hard to test what our team needs to test.

Originally Posted by BrendanB

Now I'm really hoping we don't have any problems with our climber because right now it doesn't look like we have an area to test in and view it up close to diagnose problems.

Suggest watching Q625, though I'm not expecting an answer.

I also asked Q626 (if everyone agrees, can we practice individually for 15 minutes), but I think we know the answer there. Actually, I don't even know how hard it is to switch the FMS between these two options.


Dustin,
Yes, that's what I'm referencing, but I don't see anything on there that indicates those hours of operation apply to the tethered "regional practice field goal setups". As written, it seems they only apply to what FIRST has capitalized as "Practice Fields", which are the full-size, wireless practice match fields. I'll work under the assumption they're the same hours to be safe, but it'd be nice to know for planning Wednesday.

[Travis Hoffman]

Originally Posted by thefro526

Not sure what the 10:30AM Close time on Saturday Morning is all about, I hope that it has something to do with them being reserved for Elimination Alliances or something like that.

Relevant Document: http://www.usfirst.org/sites/default...ice_Fields.pdf

If it's like last year, there won't be enough time for all elimination round alliances to get practice time after alliance selections are over.

Y'all have fun with that!

[thefro526]

Originally Posted by Siri

Dustin,
Yes, that's what I'm referencing, but I don't see anything on there that indicates those hours of operation apply to the tethered "regional practice field goal setups". As written, it seems they only apply to what FIRST has capitalized as "Practice Fields", which are the full-size, wireless practice match fields. I'll work under the assumption they're the same hours to be safe, but it'd be nice to know for planning Wednesday.

The way I interpreted the document is that the Goal Setups (we should call this shooting galleries or firing ranges or some other more interesting name) operate the same hours as the other practice fields - though it would make sense for them to be open instead of the full fields on Wednesday night since they - in theory - only need one volunteer to operate.

Now that I think about it, if there isn't somewhere 'safe' to shoot discs on Wednesday night things could get interesting...

Originally Posted by Travis Hoffman

If it's like last year, there won't be enough time for all elimination round alliances to get practice time after alliance selections are over.

Y'all have fun with that!

We were lucky enough to be able to get onto the practice field last year without too much hassle. Then again, our pit was 25' or so from the field so that helped...